Seanie_230 wrote:

Hello all

It feels like I have not been here for ages.

...bang and olufsen are not moving forward quick enough into home automation and their drop of the old tech without announcing what net link can do forced me to look elsewhere.

Hey Seanie -nice to see you popping back in.

I find your home automation comments so tragic. Who here would have thought that after all of the link systems over the years (doing it the hard way) that B&o could so easily drop the ball when the going got easy?

ɓʋɾɑɳɫɘɮ wrote:

I find your home automation comments so tragic. Who here would have thought that after all of the link systems over the years (doing it the hard way) that B&o could so easily drop the ball when the going got easy?

I honestly think only a killer distributed audio system will save them!!! I think concentrating on TV's at the moment is a distraction, they can come back when TV tech. sorts itself out. They have the speakers, they need a killer source system and a killer interface. It must be their own, an "app" on "Johnny-come-lately's" hardware simply isn't good enough!

Puncher wrote:

ɓʋɾɑɳɫɘɮ wrote:

I find your home automation comments so tragic. Who here would have thought that after all of the link systems over the years (doing it the hard way) that B&o could so easily drop the ball when the going got easy?

I honestly think only a killer distributed audio system will save them!!! I think concentrating on TV's at the moment is a distraction, they can come back when TV tech. sorts itself out. They have the speakers, they need a killer source system and a killer interface. It must be their own, an "app" on "Johnny-come-lately's" hardware simply isn't good enough!

Didn't we all conclude that WiSA was B&O's killer application / distribution system that pulled them ahead of the competition, at least for the short term?

Graham

If B&o had to listen to BeoWorlders, they would probably have to make 10 different audio systems....

....to please them all!

MM

vikinger wrote:

Puncher wrote:

ɓʋɾɑɳɫɘɮ wrote:

I find your home automation comments so tragic. Who here would have thought that after all of the link systems over the years (doing it the hard way) that B&o could so easily drop the ball when the going got easy?

I honestly think only a killer distributed audio system will save them!!! I think concentrating on TV's at the moment is a distraction, they can come back when TV tech. sorts itself out. They have the speakers, they need a killer source system and a killer interface. It must be their own, an "app" on "Johnny-come-lately's" hardware simply isn't good enough!

Didn't we all conclude that WiSA was B&O's killer application / distribution system that pulled them ahead of the competition, at least for the short term?

Graham

I agree with you Puncher. As long as my love affair has been with B&O, speakers have never been a problem. In fact I think this is where B&O excel as a company. They have beaitiful designs with accompanying sound reproduction that sets them apart from any other speaker on the market - you know they are unquestionably B&O. There efforts with TVs aren't failures by any means. I did like the BV7 design a lot, and bought one. The BV5 and BV9 too, but that is where it stopped for me me, plus they are all just too outdated now. I do think they should still keep designing TVs as I it would be hard to imagine the company without them in the product line up. However, your point about coming back when TV technology sorts itself out is a good one. B&Os pace is just too slow, even though I understand this because they want to try and perfect their overall design/product, but its just too too far behind the competition unfortunately.

An earlier post highlighted the excellent point of TVs seen advertised on eBay that are constantly being relished because of the asking price. There are two BV9s currently listed between £3500-£5,000. Total madness in my opinion. Who is going to pay that for an ageing 2005-2007 Panasonic plasma screen? Let's just pause for a reality check here! £3,000 or now under, if you shop around, will buy you a top of the range 55"+ 4K TV, and £5,000 a top of the range OLED. These B&O sets will sit their getting older and older, taking up space and eventually scrapped. They only have a short lifespan as it is and once the screen has gone its gone, unless someone tells me otherwise. These are crazy times indeed. There are even some BV11s recently listed which are more expensive than new from dealers with the special £1,300 off offers! My brain hurts! I think Lee's more recent posts about the market were very open and honest ones that are a true representation of how things are. Something only sells if it still has value.

Simon.

B&O are caught in a technology gap where flat screen quality is improving rapidly. This cannot continue forever as there is a limit to how good the resolution of these sets can become, whether that be the resoving power of the human eye or the bandwidth required to feed content to screen. I have no great concerns about the current quality of the BV7 or the latest BV11. However the market is in flux and there is an arms race in progress driven by both by technology and marketing. I agree B&O should try to be a little more cutting edge to compete more effectively given the premium product prices. Eventually the market will stabilise as it did in the days of CRTs & the Avant. B&O just need to survive long enough to get to that point where the product premium will seem better value for money. The fact that Lifestyle & others have a market for used B&O says a lot about the desirability of the products themselves.

I'd hardly call the BV11 outdated ; 6 hdmi's , 200hz screen , 3d , apps , wifi , wifi s/w updates etc plus they're giving me £850 for my avant , which is amazing considering they normally go for £50 on ebay  :D

I do agree on the new designers though , the drum stand speaker with wooden legs !??!?! what on earth are they drinking / smoking in struer to come up with that oddity ??

Maybe they should have a world wide competition to find the next David Lewis / Jacob Jensen ?

I wasn't including the BV11 as an outdated set! :)