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The BBC and NHK are aiming for 8k , so 4k is a stop gap. H265 can compress 8k down to incredible levels , you can stream it over Fast DSL even.
If you're happy wasting your time and money on 4k , be my guest.
I'm waiting this one out.
Also only 3 out of all the 4k tv's have hdmi 2 , so much for their future proofing
What I don't understand is, how fussy are everyone's eyes??? Do you really see that much difference?
If you look at an Avant or a BV3, the picture is incredible. I have a BV3 in my loungeroom, and people who come to my place are astonished by the picture and sound. They're even more astonished when they find out it is a CRT tv!!
Now looking at a 1080 tv, how much better can it really be considering the environment most people watch tv? Why would you need to upgrade a tv every year, two years, three years? It just sounds like bragging rights.
It just doesn't make sense to me...
If you want a bigger Screen - e.g. 50 inches - you want HD tv, too.
With sky and via sat this is available.
I can assure you, it is a much better viewing experience than with the Avant or BV3-32.
As a previous owner of these I can compare.
Ralf
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B&O has a very good TV on offer; the Beovision 11. This TV gets very good reviews, and leaves little to be desired; good picture, good sound, good options etc. More important, it's beautiful, a piece of art, like a real B&O Tv should be. In that respect, it's without competitors. And regarding the price; B&O always has been a expensive brand, I think in the days of the Beosound 9000 or the Avant TV prices were very high as well. So if that puts you off, it should always have put you off... If you keep waiting to buy a TV because of the fast technological advances (which are controversial), you can wait forever, because there's always The Great New Thing around the corner. In the mean time, I prefer enjoying my great B&O equipment...
South (east) of France.Seems that Bv10 are very rare around here and still a superb product ( 200hz led panel are still around in the shops).I don't know where you are located, but believe me, that kind of price for an early BV10 is impossible here.
I still don't think there has ever been a better tv than the Avant. I openly admit I get more of a smile out of seeing our 28 RF, than our 11. It sounds better too.
Maybe the Avant is much better than the LX6000 that I use (and love), but is nobody annoyed by the high frequency peep that every CRT television makes (although many people > 25 do not hear this), and the lack of HDMI inputs? And if I pause any DVD or media source, the picture is not completely steady. So I really want to upgrade to a more up-to-date second hand Beovision 10, although everyone thinks I am crazy to pay 2.5k on an old TV, instead of buing a Philips or Samsung TV. (BV11 is way too expensive for me).
Despite the peep I do love the deep colors though of the LX6000, compared to any flatscreen older than 3 years. I have not seen the BV10 in action, so I do not know what to expect.
Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands
I put off getting a new tv for years , waiting for the next avant , imo the bv11 is it , It's quite literally got it all and i can't wait to get mine.
The Avant and the BV7 shared a number of core features.
Both for their time, had unbeatable world class pictures. The 11 has a very good picture, but it is not in the same league as the new OLED Tv's by Samsung and LG, which both have reference quality pictures. Note: i'm not talking about UHD/4K here. I know people will mention pixels fading on OLED over time, but I have had to put up with dynamic contrast in the evenings since day one, so that just falls on deaf ears.
The Avant and BV7 both had DVD/Bluray players built in. The BV11 doesn't. I know you like Apple tv, and so do i, but it isn't as good as Bluray. Why can my 1Kg laptop have a BluRay player, but my 50 Kg TV not?
The Avant and BV7 had amazing sound which was world class. The BV11 has very good sound, but is naturally limited by its lack of volume. It needs a subwoofer(£1700)!
Naively when i bought my black BV11 i thought it would come with a black base which is not the case! I have a black BV11, with a red fret, on a silver stand, next to a white Beolab 14 sub(for the lack of bass and distortion), next to silver satellite stands with red frets. A complete visual mess.
The Avant and BV7 were black or silver(mostly) Cool and subtle.
I have owned and still own an Avant and a BV11, and recently a BV7. But the 11 in my eyes, does not inherit those aforementioned core qualities that the Avant did.
Totally agree Chris, and your point about about a Blu-ray player not being built in is an excellent one and something I too do not understand. B&O is still not as visually appealing as I want it to be. Yes, it has a soundbar, and that rivals competition, but because of everything that has to sit on brackets on the back it still looks messy in my opinion. I don't want to see mess anywhere, I want as much built in as can be.
I also agree about the picture on the BV11. Let's be honest, something like picture quality is very subjective as my eyes might pick up minor flaws that others wouldn't, so I can only speak for myself based on plenty of viewing experiences up to this point. I am still not satisfied and have seen problems with motion countless times and that is what has put me off. Ironically, the much loved Avant is also now showing problems with motion but I can forgive that as it is ancient and has definitely stood the test of time! Its got to blow up at some point! I remember the joy I had buying that (and also one for my Mum) at the time, remember it like it was yesterday. I want that same feeling and passion again but so far...
Simon.
I think you can see clearly a benefit from 65 inch. Remember that $K is not only a higher resolution, but also, much better colours and higher framerates. I read several revieuws that good 4K almost looks like 3D.
B&O must lower it's prices for 2K televisions drasticly now!
Just middeclas nowadays.
The Higher class is 4K !
I put off getting a new tv for years , waiting for the next avant , imo the bv11 is it , It's quite literally got it all and i can't wait to get mine.
In contrast he BV7 always seemed like a not quite there set for me , in fact most of the tv's from the avant until the 11 don't seem to have hit the right point of performance , value for money and features . As Lee pointed out they sure made some weird decisions in the past. Selling £5k tv's without a built in freeview module was a classic I recall !
I suppose it depends on what one wants from a TV.
Personally, I am not interested in a 'Smart' TV .
I probably will be considered biased since I bought one, but the BV 7-55 3D, with it's 512 zone full back lit panel, represents B & O TVs at their finest in terms of PQ.
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