hi bang and olufsen do not have the problems sony have reducing workforce by 8000 globally and cutting investment by 30 percent.

 As my marketing director used to say you do not have problems  only opportunities, so stop listening to the so called specialists it just sells newspapers. i am 73 and have seen 3 major  recessions and they get sorted.

No help for the guy who loses his job happened to me, but what does happenis companies generally get efficient and things improve

.example of media  house prices plummet 20 30 percent, forget to mention prior went up in a lot of cases 100 percent

the classic one of course computer wise everything would collapse at the year 2000, DID IT LOL

The Samsung looks nice, but comparing it to a BV9 is a bit off the mark. The Samsung does not have a rotating stand, or much of any stand at all. It does not have a surround processor anywhere near the capabilities of the BS3 included in the BV9 and whatever speaker it may have I am sure is no match for the BV9s and I do not see much complaining about speaker prices from B and O.  Here in the US a BS 3 is about 35% the price of a BV9. Take that and the price of speakers and a stand off and the price starts being very close to the price of the Samsung. A fairer comparison would be the BV4 50 inch which is also about 35% the price of a BV9 here which would equate to about 3500 GBP.  That puts it only about 50% more than the price of the Samsung. The two clearly have different features that may appeal to different buyers.  I still see no support for the arguement that Beovisions are unrealistically priced in comparison to other brands. They are not 5 times more as claimed, at least not if you compare comparable models.  Somebody posted that Avants were wonderful as they were only twice the price of other TVs. If the numbers are actually looked at, it appears the price difference is even less than double now.

A Pioneer 50 inch plasma is about $4500 compared to a BV4 50 inch for $7500. Again, the B and O is much less than twice the price.

malcolm welborn:

hi bang and olufsen do not have the problems sony have reducing workforce by 8000 globally and cutting investment by 30 percent.

 As my marketing director used to say you do not have problems  only opportunities, so stop listening to the so called specialists it just s

In october B&O announced they have to cut 300 jobs....

8.000 ?... 16.000 ????  or maybe LOT more...  who knows sir !!!! 😕

In the UK the BV4-50, with BS3 and various stands brackets etc. is over £12,000 (still without sound). At quick glance on the 'net shows a Pioneer 50" Kuro (9th Gen) shows the cheapest price (in the first 3 hits) to be £2300.

We can continue to argue about prices and specs. but the details don't matter (ref my ealier post) - people will always try to justify what they want to buy.

Puncher:

In the UK the BV4-50, with BS3 and various stands brackets etc. is over £12,000 (still without sound). At quick glance on the 'net shows a Pioneer 50" Kuro (9th Gen) shows the cheapest price (in the first 3 hits) to be £2300.

We can continue to argue about prices and specs. but the details don't matter (ref my ealier post) - people will always try to justify what they want to buy.

Again apples and oranges. Compare panels, adding the BS3 changes the entire equation. If one does not want surround sound, does not want quality sound, and does not need a receiver, then get a Pioneer or other cheaper brand. Also you add in stands and brackets. Is one of the amazing talents of the Pioneer that it floats? I assume it requires stands and/or brackets as well. Add in a Pioneer receiver and the price increases more.

You compare the price of a Pioneer Plasma to a BV4 plus stand plus BS3? What is the price for just the BV4 compared to the Kuro? That is the comparison that would be valid.

Either B and O is more expensive in the UK than here, or you get remarkable bargains on Pioneers. As I said, here a Pioneer is $4500 compared to $7500 for the BV4

I give in! The prices I've quoted are either here on Beoworld or freely available on the web. The TV I quoted wasn't just a panel, but a full HD TV with DTV tuner, 3 HDMI imputs etc.. I'm not trying to discredit your argument but, I suspect, you haven't fully read my earlier posts.

I respectfully withdraw from your arguement.

Puncher:

In the UK the BV4-50, with BS3 and various stands brackets etc. is over £12,000 (still without sound). At quick glance on the 'net shows a Pioneer 50" Kuro (9th Gen) shows the cheapest price (in the first 3 hits) to be £2300.

We can continue to argue about prices and specs. but the details don't matter (ref my ealier post) - people will always try to justify what they want to buy.

Again apples and oranges. Compare panels, adding the BS3 changes the entire equation. If one does not want surround sound, does not want quality sound, and does not need a receiver, then get a Pioneer or other cheaper brand. Also you add in stands and brackets.  I assume it requires stands and/or brackets as well. Add in a Pioneer receiver for and the price increases more.

Either B and O is more expensive in the UK than here, or you get remarkable bargains on Pioneers. As I said, here a Pioneer is $4500 compared to $7500 for the BV4

Nor apples and oranges in relation to picture quality though!- you rather missed that point!

Actually for my flat in london I just acquired a KURO 50 in,  which included the stand, pioneer ss receiver that does dolby true and hi def sound formats - that the BS3 will not- together with a pioneer blue ray player and full range speakers, programable remote for a total price of  £4600

I have at home the BV4 50 in , table stand Price just for that NO speakers is £12,750- then factor in 5 additional of the chepaest B&O speakers and a BR player the price is in orbit!