Sound Systems - new and discontinued

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IA64 wrote:

What's the difference between AM/FM radio and internet based radio ( TuneIn )

Two things - not all stations broadcast over the internet, and not everyone everywhere has internet.

We have a Beomaster 1600 at our summerhouse for radio which is usually always on, except that it is stuck on one volume (a little too loud). We went to the local B&O shop for ideas on a new radio and everything is internet only. It's a problem for us since we only have "pay as you use" internet while there and it gets expensive quick to be constantly streaming. I'm now looking online for a cheap used beosystem with radio.

Location: USA / Denmark

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beotex wrote:
IA64 wrote:

What's the difference between AM/FM radio and internet based radio ( TuneIn )

Two things - not all stations broadcast over the internet, and not everyone everywhere has internet.

Three things, then (at least):

certainly not all internet radio stations are available on FM.

MM

Location: Flensborg————Danmark

I love simple FM because it's wifi free.

Where I hang my radio in the kitchen I can't use a rj45 cable or power cable and I don't have (want) permanent wifi at home.

Beosound 3 on battery was great for my needs.

FM (most of the time) sounds better that TuneIn as TuneIn often runs at low sampling rates.

And the convenience of simply pressing one button on a Beomaster and then radio plays is also a factor.

And it always work. No streaming issues. No problem when the microwave interfers with the wifi signal ...

I use TuneIn is some of the other (non B&O) rooms in our house, and in the car if FM signal is bad.

FM also beats dab hands down in sound quality.

Sal wrote:

Give me a modern / updated Beosound 5 with local storage, and STANDARD DLNA support, done. Don't even want MOTS or Moodwheel, etc. Straight up local storage player.

Calvin wrote:

It would be quite nice to see something that wasn't so reliant upon an internet based subscription model.

+1

I have moved away from B&O sound systems for this reason, but I wanted to keep Beolab speakers. Therefore now my main setup consists of a MacBookPro with the music player of my choice and a copy of my music library, and a USB DAC connected to a Beomaster with Beolab speakers.

I am extremely happy with the functionality and the quality of this set-up (although aesthetically it is not coherent so it is hidden away, which is perfectly fine in my case).

I don't believe B&O has the right software development track record today to do better than this set-up.

However I would love to see a B&O USB DAC with integrated pre-amp / volume control and with PowerLink connections (and with a Speaker Groups functionality for audio-only no-TV guys like me, please, please, please!) to replace my external USB DAC + Beomaster combo.

I already mentioned this in this forum in a thread involving Geoff Martin, but it was almost two years ago already so I don't believe this will ever happen...

 

js wrote:

However I would love to see a B&O USB DAC with integrated pre-amp / volume control and with PowerLink connections (and with a Speaker Groups functionality for audio-only no-TV guys like me, please, please, please!) to replace my external USB DAC + Beomaster combo.

Your use case is probably exactly the same as mine, the Beosound Core addresses this pretty much. AirPlay to it and use integrated "homesharing" from Apple which actually works reliably. I am able to access my entire itunes library off my phone, wake the computer if sleeping and losslessly (gapless too) airplay to my Bl9.

Also (depending on which Beolabs you have) having an actual b&o unit is probably not necessary. There's a huge selection of DAC preamps available, prior for myself using S8 connection hub I used a DAC/preamp with a custom powerlink adapter - with triggering and all.

B&O doesn't seem to care about music systems anymore it appears to me, just those 'subscription streaming' toys.

That may be true about B&O and streaming, but thats also the way the market is shifting surely?

It seems we would like them to make products that have appeal, yet when they follow the market (a la dreaming) we berate them for that too?

My question in starting this thread was indeed recognising that music systems are a hole in their portfolio. That of course reflects up to a point that music systems are generally disappearing across the market (its much less likely to see a music system as we'd recognise one in someone's lounge).

My broader point was that, while the above is clearly the case i.e fewer physically big systems, either B&O and its customers accept and understand that as an inevitable shift, OR there is something, some form factor that they can come up with is interesting. While the Moment is a good idea, integrating streaming and local content in one UI, i'd love to see them take it further.

By further i mean at a minimum make it slicker, and with more flexibility. The deep integration of Deezer is great, but is it impossible to find a way to provide a way for users to chose their own streaming service. Why not partner up with one of the major podcast platforms like Stitcher -  that would be awesome, given the growth in podcasting. So i think there is plenty of scope to improve, in terms of quality (Tidal?) and breadth of content.

Whether thats in a similar Moment like form, or something else, who knows - i could envisage plenty of interesting form factors.

As for DAC's / preamps, on that i don't have a view, but i see the logic.

As for FM radio, well that one threw me...and in retrospect, the generally better SQ on FM is nice, so i'm in on that one! (with no expectation of it happening)

Maybe this is all whistling in the wind ultimately, an all singing (more singing at least) new system or Moment 2 would be great, but software isn't in the end their strength, which may be the ultimate stumbling block.

 

 

js wrote:

Sal wrote:

Give me a modern / updated Beosound 5 with local storage, and STANDARD DLNA support, done. Don't even want MOTS or Moodwheel, etc. Straight up local storage player.

Calvin wrote:

It would be quite nice to see something that wasn't so reliant upon an internet based subscription model.

+1

I have moved away from B&O sound systems for this reason, but I wanted to keep Beolab speakers. Therefore now my main setup consists of a MacBookPro with the music player of my choice and a copy of my music library, and a USB DAC connected to a Beomaster with Beolab speakers.

I am extremely happy with the functionality and the quality of this set-up (although aesthetically it is not coherent so it is hidden away, which is perfectly fine in my case).

I don't believe B&O has the right software development track record today to do better than this set-up.

However I would love to see a B&O USB DAC with integrated pre-amp / volume control and with PowerLink connections (and with a Speaker Groups functionality for audio-only no-TV guys like me, please, please, please!) to replace my external USB DAC + Beomaster combo.

I already mentioned this in this forum in a thread involving Geoff Martin, but it was almost two years ago already so I don't believe this will ever happen...

 

I think I'm finally going to pull the trigger on an Auralic Aries Mini, and put in a 2.5" HDD to store the music. I've already confirmed with Auralic Support that the HDD installed in the Auralic can be seen and mounted as a network drive on a MAc Mini which can use THAT as the iTunes Library, and the Auralic can read and harvest the music from it just fine.

The only question now, is how would I connect my BL20 or BL9 speakers. I'd assume that I can connect them directly to the Auralic, since the volume will be controlled by Auralic's Lightning DS App on an iPad, is that correct? I would hate to have the speakers BLAST my eardrums off unexpectedly.

Well - on my old Beosound 2300, I just turned it on and radio was instantly there. I could even play the radio without having to access the internet. Switching station was instant, no buffering and wait for the next station. On the radio itself I had a number of station buttons to push with our having to scroll through a long endless list of stations. My present Beosound Encore is much more difficult to use, especially if your not used to computers :-) So in short - life seemed easier and more user-friendly with the old FM and limited choice of stations :-) 

Be interested to hear how you get on....

Just out of interest why the mini, they have a DAC streamer too, which I didn't realise...anyways, with my speakers connected to my TV, not sure how well one of these would integrate with my system? Guess just a source connected to my BS4....Anyway, enjoy and do keep us posted as and when you make progress

Despite my rambling about music systems and a more forward thinking Moment, I don't really have sound quality issues with Deezer and my FLAC collection...but always interested to see if the Aries gets you to a better place...
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