Geoff Martin wrote:

I own lots of Hybrid SACD/CD's and I have never found a single CD player that was unable to play the CD layer of any of my discs.

Cheers

-geoff

I own lots of hybrid SACD's as well Geoff.

A while back there was a thread about playing the M/C SACD soundtrack in the context of the DAC as found in V1, BV-11 etc, and the realisation that the DAC would not play the M/C SACD soundtrack (converted from DSD to PCM in the connected player) unless one had a player such as the Cambridge Audio players which would up sample to 96khz or some such as I recall.

At the time I tried it with my Sony Bluray player via HDMI into my V1 (the player will output either DSD or PCM over the HDMI link from a M/C SACD) and could get no sound even though the disc played.  I believe this situation also exists with the otherwise highly regarded Oppo players.

Sorry to take the thread a little off topic per se, but has this situation been addressed in either firmware (if possible) or proposed hardware updates?

I'd really like to be able to play my collection of SACD's in M/C surround sound, and do miss the facility quite a bit - hoping for either a resolution, or advice as to a brand/model of player that will allow me to play the M/C SACD soundtrack in interface with the B&O product.

Many thanks...

Kind regards

John... 🙂

John wrote:

A while back there was a thread about playing the M/C SACD soundtrack in the context of the DAC as found in V1, BV-11 etc, and the realisation that the DAC would not play the M/C SACD soundtrack (converted from DSD to PCM in the connected player) unless one had a player such as the Cambridge Audio players which would up sample to 96khz or some such as I recall.

John... 🙂

Hi John,

I suppose it was this thread:

/forum/general-discussion-and-questions/how-many-of-you-are-playing-high-res-audio-meaning-sampling-rates-of-either-882961764192-or-dsd

N.B. I'd like to know more about the DAC's in the V1/BV11/12/Avant too!

MM

Here is a quotation from the FAQs on sa-cd.net - http://www.sa-cd.net/faq#discs2

Are all SA-CDs hybrid?

In the early days of SA-CD,most titles were released as 'single layer' i.e. SA-CD-only but nowadays virtually all SA-CD releases are hybrid discs. Currently, more than 90% of the SA-CD catalogue consists of hybrid discs and this rate continues to rise.

Hi all,

In one world buying SACD is at no risk 🙂

Have a nice day

Franck

Hi all,

In one world buying SACD is at no risk 🙂

Have a nice day

Franck

Hi All, I have an Oppo player (BDP-105D) connected to a BV11 and since the last BV update (of may 2014) I've been able to play multi-channel SACD soundtracks, as long as you set the player to convert DSD to PCM. In fact, I've also been able to play the DSD64 sample files (both in 2 channels and multi-channels), which Oppo makes available in its website.

Finally, I’ve tested some 24bit tracks (in FLAC) directly in the BV11’s home media player and can confirm it can now play 24/88.2 files but I still couldn’t make it to play 24/176.4 (despite the fact that the BV11 does play 24/192, which is odd…).

Regards,

TA

talfaia wrote:

Hi All, I have an Oppo player (BDP-105D) connected to a BV11 and since the last BV update (of may 2014) I've been able to play multi-channel SACD soundtracks, as long as you set the player to convert DSD to PCM. In fact, I've also been able to play the DSD64 sample files (both in 2 channels and multi-channels), which Oppo makes available in its website.

Finally, I’ve tested some 24bit tracks (in FLAC) directly in the BV11’s home media player and can confirm it can now play 24/88.2 files but I still couldn’t make it to play 24/176.4 (despite the fact that the BV11 does play 24/192, which is odd…).

Regards,

 

TA

 

That's really great news, as I was under the impression that previously the Oppo 105's and 103's could not do this (play the M/C SACD sound track when connected to BV11/ V1 etc.

Without wishing to put Geoff to any great trouble, I wonder if he could comment if this issue with the processor/DAC re M/C SACD in the V1/BV11 family has been addressed.  

I will be delighted if it has!

Many thanks for the updated information Talfaia.. 🙂

John wrote:

Without wishing to put Geoff to any great trouble, I wonder if he could comment if this issue with the processor/DAC re M/C SACD in the V1/BV11 family has been addressed.  

Hi,

I've already started asking about this - since it's an issue that affects me at home as well..

The answers I've received so far are:

No changes have been made to the sampling rate compatibility of the HDMI inputs. This means that 88.2 kHz and 176.4 kHz are currently not supported. This, in turn, implies that the Oppo BDP-105D must be outputting its PCM converted DSD at either 44.1, 48, 96, or 192 kHz. Looking at the Oppo manual, it is unclear what they're doing exactly. On page 63 it talks about the sampling rate being, in part, determined by the number of audio channels (which is new information to me with regards to the HDMI standard). It is also unclear whether the setting of the upper sampling rate (p.64) also has an effect on the HDMI output. It's not explicitly stated that it does NOT, which is not terribly helpful.

There MAY have been changes made in the Media Player to accommodate 88.2 kHz - I'll find out more about this later in the week if I get a chance!

Cheers

- g

Geoff Martin wrote:

There MAY have been changes made in the Media Player to accommodate 88.2 kHz - I'll find out more about this later in the week if I get a chance!

Hi again,

Instead of waiting on an "official" answer, I just ran a quick check on our BV11 in the listening room, using SW v.1.0.6.35496 (the latest release).

2-channel 88.2 kHz, 24 bit FLAC files can indeed be played via the Homemedia player (as can 44.1, 48, 96, and 192 kHz).

2-channel 176.4, 352.8, and 384 kHz are not currently playable in the Homemedia player in this SW release version.

I didn't check any other formats or bit depths.

Cheers

-geoff

In addition to this:

Just checked the 3 files (FLAC) I have in 5.1.

Two of them: 96kHz and 5969Kbits .

One of them: 96kHz and 7767Kbits 

(I guess that is an addition of the 6 channels --- ???)

Info is from MP3Tag!

The files are from 2L (Norway) and Aix Music.

All three play fine in the MediaPlayer of my V1 (latest software).

Sound info: Input PCM 5.1 - Output 2.0 (thanks to Geoff downmixing 🙂)

I have no external speakers connected to the V1 - wish I had, because I would really like to hear/enjoy these files in full 5.1.

Can't test on my main-tv 5.1 setup, which is a BV8-40 🙁

Seems that the HomeMedia/MediaPlayer is a pretty good music player - (if it had a search function, it would be perfect).

MM