steve1977 wrote:

That’s a joke or for real?

Taking M5 Tech specs from B&O website french pages as an example (others show the same):

Services de streaming

Apple AirPlay Chromecast intégré Bluetooth Beolink Multiroom Spotify Connect QPlay 2.0 (Chine uniquement)

do not forget there are a lot of people using B&O who are not technical. They will just use the basic B&O app for multiroom. They are not on this forum, so the 20/80 is just for the more technical people on this forum, not for all the B&O users. It is very difficult to explain to non tech people the differences  between AP2/ casting, spotify connect, tune-in etc... Things should be more simple to use not more difficult. ALso there is a big difference in the number of devices you have. If you have only one device or may be two i can understand using AP2/CC, but with a lot more devices it's not that user friendly anymore ...

I'm a technical guy and i do not like AP2/CC at all. I can not believe you need your phone/tablet for streaming. It should be a remote, not more than that, not a streaming device. I carry my phone always with me, so when i leave my home for a sec it should not stop playing music. 

nico

mbolo01 wrote:

Taking M5 Tech specs from B&O website french pages as an example (others show the same):

Services de streaming Apple AirPlay Chromecast intégré Bluetooth Beolink Multiroom Spotify Connect QPlay 2.0 (Chine uniquement)

BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1

nico vercammen wrote:

i do not like AP2/CC at all. I can not believe you need your phone/tablet for streaming. It should be a remote, not more

Some people stream from a local computer, often a Mac Mini with iTunes (which can stream to multiple (B&O) devices since forever) and use their phone or tablet as a remote with the iTunes remote App.
I use that setup for years now without downside (if your local wifi is good). For us it's difficult to understand why BL mutliroom would be better and why they would have to switch to it.

steve1977 wrote:

You’re saying that all my NL devices will no longer support deezer, tunein and dlna? If so, that’s the end of the b&o app as well?

That can only be a joke...

Sorry 🙁, I missed a paragraph for the M5:

Services musicaux intégrés

Spotify Deezer TuneIn (radio Internet), QQ Music (Chine uniquement)

But no such paragraph for BS 1, BS 2, M3, A9

Core still has the Integrated Music Services listed

Hopefully it is a documentation, otherwise it would be a big big big disappointment 

because starting your music with a computer is not how many people do things anymore.....

And BL does allow simple things like physically tapping a speaker and get it to start or join something........often much more convenient than wandering over to a computer,

AP and CC is all good and suits many, but that didn't necessitate removing NL.

matador43 wrote:

nico vercammen wrote:

i do not like AP2/CC at all. I can not believe you need your phone/tablet for streaming. It should be a remote, not more

Some people stream from a local computer, often a Mac Mini with iTunes (which can stream to multiple (B&O) devices since forever) and use their phone or tablet as a remote with the iTunes remote App.
I use that setup for years now without downside (if your local wifi is good). For us it's difficult to understand why BL mutliroom would be better and why they would have to switch to it.

Sandyb wrote:

because starting your music with a computer is not how many people do things anymore.....

I agree BL may have his advantages (I say "may" because i didn't experience them myself). From what I've read: the join function, listening to TV audio anywhere else, different music by the room and maybe more.

But 🙂

I never come close to my computer for anything: it has no screen, no keyboard, isn't even visible. Rooms are muted and joined by the remote app.

I'm not comparing the two systems, I'm just saying that people used to Airplay may not understand the benefits of NL, even if they have a compatible B&O device and maybe that's the reason why it's 20/80 (meaning not enough for B&O to maintain the technology).

Whatever reason it is, that's very Apple'esque!

Sandyb wrote:

because starting your music with a computer is not how many people do things anymore.....

And BL does allow simple things like physically tapping a speaker and get it to start or join something........often much more convenient than wandering over to a computer,

AP and CC is all good and suits many, but that didn't necessitate removing NL.

Totally agree!

MM

matador43 wrote:

why BL mutliroom would be better and why they would have to switch to it.

Because of the "join" feature.

Let say you have a Mac Mini streaming AP(2) to a Core in the living room where you are.
You now move to the bathroom where you have a M3.

If you want to start the same music flow in the bathroom, in order to "join" what's playing in the living room:

• You have to go back to your controlling device, unless you always carry it with you or you anticipated your move to another room, and add the the bathroom speaker in the AP2 group.
• I just have to press the M3 join button and same music than in the leaving room starts, thanks to BL.

I do that every single day with my NL devices located in different rooms, wether I listen to AP(2) stream, Deezer, TuneIn or to physical records. I really don't want to loose that.

All fine, but only a minority want to maintain a computer driven music setup.

All the more because it always has to be on.

matador43 wrote:

Sandyb wrote:

because starting your music with a computer is not how many people do things anymore.....

I agree BL may have his advantages (I say "may" because i didn't experience them myself). From what I've read: the join function, listening to TV audio anywhere else, different music by the room and maybe more.

But 🙂

I never come close to my computer for anything: it has no screen, no keyboard, isn't even visible. Rooms are muted and joined by the remote app.

I'm not comparing the two systems, I'm just saying that people used to Airplay may not understand the benefits of NL, even if they have a compatible B&O device and maybe that's the reason why it's 20/80 (meaning not enough for B&O to maintain the technology).

Whatever reason it is, that's very Apple'esque!