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also ive just seen on web pioneer are stoping production of kuro plasma due to cost to high
panasonic and lg are to competitive
I googled that, and the only "fact" I found was from articles dating back a year from March 2008...
the bv4 has glass front screen and aluminium surround also the spec for pioneer tuner is probably lower than bs3
Probably? In what way?
the news article is on www.homecinemachoice.com under news
the situation has been brewing for quite some time firstly pioneer were moving to panasonic panels then rumour of stopping, and now it seems more probable that there are closing down
its a big problemb in the industry people dont want to pay even 2500 uk pounds for plasma screens in uk
most of our wealthy clients buy cheap plasma panels and house them in timber cabinets its becoming a bit of a trend
also i agree the bv7 looks such a great package and far nicer than similar rivals, but its still lcd which iam not so sure of for films and football
the news article is on www.homecinemachoice.com under news
the situation has been brewing for quite some time firstly pioneer were moving to panasonic panels then rumour of stopping, and now it seems more probable that there are closing down
its a big problemb in the industry people dont want to pay even 2500 uk pounds for plasma screens in uk
most of our wealthy clients buy cheap plasma panels and house them in timber cabinets its becoming a bit of a trend
Whow! Didn't see that coming... If no-one wants to buy a Kuro priced at 3.000 euro, then who is going to buy the Beo 50" for 20.000 euro?
A little OT, but relates to the issue handled in this topic
Pioneer press release (dated today):
http://pioneer.jp/press-e/2009/pdf/release_3q09e_02.pdf
"Pioneer will terminate any further in-house display product development after its
products currently available on the market, and withdraw from the display business
by March 2010. Recent market conditions have changed far more than initially
anticipated, and Pioneer has decided to withdraw from the display business after
concluding that there are no prospects for improving profitability under current
conditions. However, the Company will continue to provide after-sales services even
after the withdrawal."
After the Pioneer panels run out from the stock B&O might be again the best commercially availalable tv? Currently it is not. Sorry about my sarcastic comment.
the news article is on www.homecinemachoice.com under news
the situation has been brewing for quite some time firstly pioneer were moving to panasonic panels then rumour of stopping, and now it seems more probable that there are closing down
its a big problemb in the industry people dont want to pay even 2500 uk pounds for plasma screens in uk
most of our wealthy clients buy cheap plasma panels and house them in timber cabinets its becoming a bit of a trend
also i agree the bv7 looks such a great package and far nicer than similar rivals, but its still lcd which iam not so sure of for films and football
You're right MGBGTV8,
Pioneer is stopping making plasma's and LCD televisions.
I would like to know the statistics for what sells well and what doesnt
my dealer has offered me a bv7 32 non dvd with bl4 and bracketts plus wall bracket with free blu ray for quite a good deal
this must be a way of getting people back as he said 6700 uk pounds is a lot for a telly
I'm sure a lot of you won't agree with this, and I'mnot saying B&O TVs are good value as they are not and should be cheaper.
Having said that, look at the recent announcement from Pioneer, lookhow much Panasonic, Samsung etc actually made on screen sales last year, then look at the profits for Dixons, Currys and the shops trying to sell them. It's not that these things aren't shifting in volume, just that to my mind they are developing more quickly, and at a lower price point than the market can sustain.
The general public expect new innovations to be researched and developed at all times with new sets arriving almost weekly, and also expect to be able to buy a 40" all singing all dancing TV for under £1000. Until now the manufacturers and suppliers have responded to customer demands with new models and reduced prices, but at what cost. If the manufacturer and retailer aren't making any money where does that leave everyone? Will Pioneer be able to support the sets they have sold 5 years from now?
And I haven't even started on the wages for the workers that actually build these things in China or wherever the manufacturer can get the cheapest labour rate.
Maybe B&O aren't as stupidly expensive as people think, and are as mentioned above just priced at a point that makes business sense. It appears a few other companies could do with reviewing their own pricing. What good is millions of units sold if it costs you money?
Rednik... you can read my mind :-) Almost made the same comment on the Dutch forum...
My B&O Icons:
Rednik and Karel see the point. Mass market TV are priced so low because the manufacturers have followed the old - and often deluded - mantra that "if we get enough volume we'll start making a profit". Now they operate in a market where price is the only differentiator.
Loewe and B&O both follow the approach that by providing something different they can sustain a price premium. I am sure they are both very aware that only a certain number of consumers will be willing to pay the premium. So they have to decide on the really difficult balance of price and desirability.
I'm sure B&O could make cheaper TVs, and they may decide to do that. But making a cheaper TV is not neccessarily going to make it a more profitable company.
Electronics company heads for $1.4bn loss ... 🙁
And I haven't even started on the wages for the workers that actually build these things in China or wherever the manufacturer can get the cheapest labour rate.
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