OK, so you guys think Beo should keep up making overpriced TV's, just because the current second hand market?

Sure the ones who bought a BV7 yesterday would loose a lot of money in say three years if they where to trade it in for a new model, and a matching TV to the BV7 would have gone to 4000 euro new.

But new customers would be brought in, and a new price "reference" would be set. Introduce new TV sets at a more *true to reality* price, and discontinue the old ones.

If indeed Beo cares about their  customers, they should start with the dealers. I'm talking about Finland now, but a more self-centered, lazy-obnoxious-snobby-I don't give a damn attitude is hard to find. I'm surprised that there's even such a brand as Beo.

I'm sure the service is OK, if you spend a fortune, but a BS9000 and a BS3 for example and a few other stuff cables etc. don't get you far here...

Just as an example, Apple.

Apple has always had a very faithful customer base. Even during hard times, as the 90-ties, where we have to admit, Windows was ahead. Mac OS was running behind.

Apple took action, they brought Steve Jobs back, and there was a lot of changes made. Some Apple fanatics where furious about the cooperation with Microsoft, who was like the devil to them, but Microsoft was one of the key stones to bringing Apple back.

Apple was transformed, and I'm sure even if it would have continued on the same track, the Apple fanatics, the likes of us B&O fanatics, would have continued to buy and use Apple products.

However, this "small" group was not enough, and Apple would have gone bankrupt, or bought and transformed into something completely different than it is today, if it was not for this change.

B&O needs more customers, and obviously Struer is not getting more customers, especially in these challenging times with the current method. They need change.

Beo has changed their strategy and pricing before, why not again? 

I have the same experience about the finnish dealer but while reading this forum I have come to conclusion that it is pretty much a local problem. There seems to be more service oriented dealers in other countries. At least I hope so.

avus17 wrote:

I think BeoVision 7 32" and 40'' are both owerpriced.

And still, you buy it!

bayerische wrote:

OK, so you guys think Beo should keep up making overpriced TV's, just because the current second hand market?

Hi bayerische

Absolutely not. I hope I did not make you think that this was my opinion. It was just one of my speculations about why the prices are so high. In my introduction thread, I explained a bit why I did not buy a B&O TV. The price is the most important issue. When we saw the price tags, the TVs were more or less viped out of our minds. Not for us to consider, not even if they had the very best picture and equipped with the latest technology.

B R

Clakke

Clakke wrote:

bayerische wrote:

OK, so you guys think Beo should keep up making overpriced TV's, just because the current second hand market?

Hi bayerische

Absolutely not. I hope I did not make you think that this was my opinion. It was just one of my speculations about why the prices are so high. In my introduction thread, I explained a bit why I did not buy a B&O TV. The price is the most important issue. When we saw the price tags, the TVs were more or less viped out of our minds. Not for us to consider, not even if they had the very best picture and equipped with the latest technology.

B R

Clakke

Let's hope Beo is also of the same opinion as you Clakke. 🙂

Anyway, about the pricing, I know I'm one of the naggers about TV prices. And choice is a beautiful thing.

You know when I bought my plasma, in 2004 the pricing was such (in Finland as I remember), that a Sony 42" was priced at about 4-5000 euro. The beo flagship, Beovision 5 was priced at about 16.000 euros. Here we have a factor of three. The factor today? 6-8 times.

So sadly I'm not sure we will see any price drop. Not a meaningful one anyway. The new CEO has showed us nothing yet, or am I wrong?

bayerische wrote:

 

Let's hope Beo is also of the same opinion as you Clakke. 🙂

 

Anyway, about the pricing, I know I'm one of the naggers about TV prices. And choice is a beautiful thing.

You know when I bought my plasma, in 2004 the pricing was such (in Finland as I remember), that a Sony 42" was priced at about 4-5000 euro. The beo flagship, Beovision 5 was priced at about 16.000 euros. Here we have a factor of three. The factor today? 6-8 times.

So sadly I'm not sure we will see any price drop. Not a meaningful one anyway. The new CEO has showed us nothing yet, or am I wrong?

 

 

Well I would say that the new CEO has at least said something in these directions. Nothing is of course visible yet in the stores about this. I think it will take some time before we see the new CEO intention in this matter.

Sorry I can not comment about if the B&O prices are twice the price of a Sony or 6-8 times the price. I have not followed this in past times and do not have the knowledge, but I have seen the debates at this forum. I can just say that the prices were much too much for us to consider in our comparison with e.g. B&O 8-32 vs Loewe Connect. It was not just the price, beacuse with B&O we would have had the trouble (and cost) to buy and install some DVB, media center e t c. That does not improve the comparison in B&O favour.

I am not sure that we will buy a B&O TV for very long time, because soon we will buy a TV for our main room. After that, I think we are ready for a while with TV´s. It is not likely that B&O will have something to offer for us when it is time. It is a bit sad actually.

But the stereo comes from B&O, and that is not sad 🙂.

B R

Clakke

I don't think it is likely B&O will drop the prices of their existing TVs by any significant amount. That's not because of the second hand market but because of the harm it will do to their reputation with existing customers. And existing customers are very important for a nich manufacturer.

What they may do, however, is to introduce lower priced new models. Such as the BV8, which is closer to mainstream AV products in price (and quality).

But I think the real issue here is that the TV industry is in such a period of change. A company such as B&O will never be able to keep pace with that change. They can only hope to offer a high quality product that is flexible enough to accommodate some of the changes that will take place. Depending on what your expectations of a TV are, you will either decide that the current B&O TVs do that or they don't.

Members of this forum tend to be very technology aware and want to use all the latest innovations. But I think many people that buy B&O equipment pay for non-technological features such as the pleasure given by the finish and design.

I must be one of that latter group as I recently bought a BC6. I wanted an attractive TV on a stand which would integrate with my AV equipment AND had a good speaker set for when I just wanted to watch the TV news.

Sony equivalents (complete with stand) range from £650 to £800 depending on feature set and design. The stands are pretty unattractive and non-motorised and the sound quality from the set speakers is pretty poor. The remote control feels like a cheap calculator.The BC6 cost £3300 and has a beautiful motorised stand that gives a great deal of pleasure to use (little things). Sound is very good. And cabinet finish world's apart.

The BC6 cost a lot more but many years ago I bought a Philips TV because the B&O equivalent at the time was nearly four times the price. I benefited from the saving for a few months, regretted the decision for a few years.

I think what I'm trying to say is that perhaps B&O will not be able to survive as a premium brand with its current pricing - but I'm not sure it can survive as a mid brand with lower pricing either. Its new management certainly has a very diffcult path to tread. But take the (costly) premium finish and design away and what do you have left - just a TV.

bayerische wrote:

Clakke wrote:

bayerische wrote:

OK, so you guys think Beo should keep up making overpriced TV's, just because the current second hand market?

Hi bayerische

Absolutely not. I hope I did not make you think that this was my opinion. It was just one of my speculations about why the prices are so high. In my introduction thread, I explained a bit why I did not buy a B&O TV. The price is the most important issue. When we saw the price tags, the TVs were more or less viped out of our minds. Not for us to consider, not even if they had the very best picture and equipped with the latest technology.

B R

Clakke

Let's hope Beo is also of the same opinion as you Clakke. 🙂

 

Anyway, about the pricing, I know I'm one of the naggers about TV prices. And choice is a beautiful thing.

You know when I bought my plasma, in 2004 the pricing was such (in Finland as I remember), that a Sony 42" was priced at about 4-5000 euro. The beo flagship, Beovision 5 was priced at about 16.000 euros. Here we have a factor of three. The factor today? 6-8 times.

So sadly I'm not sure we will see any price drop. Not a meaningful one anyway. The new CEO has showed us nothing yet, or am I wrong?

 

 

I do not agree that the factor today is 6-8 times. Certainly there are some TVs that would result in that factor, but there are also others that do not. For instance, the BV4 50 inch is $7500, link, at the same store, a 50 inch Pioneer is $4499,   P      resulting in a factor of about 1.5

The pioneer is inclusive Tuner.🙂

The B&O is exclusive Tuner.🙁