PlayMaker How Does it Sound? How Does it Compare?

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@Michael - In my experience a lot of the alleged differences between different digital products and different bit rates, HD audio, etc. are all pretty illusory and don't survive controlled testing. So all the hand wringing about whether Redbook standard CD is bad and HDAudio tracks are good or compressed files are bad strikes me as kind of obsessing over things that don't really matter. I've done a few tests where I made a disc with a music file in CD format, then followed by it in CD format that was converted to an AAC lossy file, then back to CD and then randomly repeating either one or the other, and I've yet to find anyone who could reliably tell the difference at anything but really low bit rate AAC encoding, way lower than what the iTunes store offers. So I don't spend much time obsessing over it.

I also find most DACs beyond the very cheap bottom end and compromised implementation things like the Airport to be identical. I used to believe differently in my youth, but getting exposed to controlled testing by some audio engineering friends definitely changed my mind about a lot of this. There is a place where price/design matters, but that occurs lower than you'd think.

But there are also bad MP3 encoders, and very low bit rates, and as for iPod docks, I agree. But then, they all are small and bear the limitations that always will put on an audio system, though some sound better than others. And none of them sound as good as a "real" stereo as you noted. I used to work selling audio gear back in the 70's while in college, some high end stuff, and some normal stuff. I loved audio back then, every company had their own look and all seemed to be proud to put out big, impressive pieces, not the commodity items you see today. Row after row of identical black boxes.

One of the reasons I prize B&O, no one else seems to be so design focused.

 

Why buying an old and ugly Playmaker which is finally discontinued ? 😕

Let's buy the new elegant BeoSound Essence ! 🤒

@Jeff, largely agree about alleged differences between different digital products, but nevertheless, I think that there can be marked differences in the final audio quality (which will be dependent on a multitude of factors other that than the just the digital specs.) Infact the digital specs. can be somewhat misleading like high mega pixel count cameras being better than those with with a lower pixel count and then putting cheap lenses in front!   Did you see my post here: link? I compared the FatMan Mi against a simpler valued Marantz streaming audio player (with many more features) Soundwise, seriously no contest. So as you said, there’s a lot more to this that the raw DAC specs.


Nostalgia trip, I loved audio back then, I can remember visiting Lasky in Tottenham Court Road and listening to JBL L100’s with (I think) Marantz amplification and vinyl source.  (A Horse With No Name - America) The spine tingling factor can still be recalled!

For me there are other factors to consider, I also use my BL8000s for the audio when screening video from my laptop through a BENQ video projector. AirPlay with it’s 2 second lag is another issue. Since MUBI (steaming video arts movies, a service I cannot recommend more highly) is viewed though the browser, there is no easy way to add a delay to the video feed.

@BeoBoy68, Thanks - I was unaware of the Essence! But then at £800… That costs more that my 8000 mk2s cost me!. It also seems on first look at the specs. that there would be no way for me to add any equalisation. I WANT equalisation. turning down a notch the 1KHz to 4KHz makes a worthwhile difference to me in removing that “shouty” quality of the 8000s. Also when watching movies, doing the complete opposite and boosting that range makes catching mumbled dialogue much easier. I have to agree that the Essence remote though looks the part.


While I haven't compared any other DACs I'm currently listening to my BL8k mk2s through a PM = excellent detail, clear and quality sound. Very 🙂

moxxey wrote:

The audio quality is far superior to the Airport Express. A big improvement. I'd also say the same audio from a CD, played via the BeoCenter 2, sounds much better streamed via the PlayMaker, which says a lot about this device.

It does disconnect occasionally, but if you give it a static fixed IP, this helps hugely.

The PM is indeed one of the best solutions to stream audio on today's market. The AE supports lossless CD quality playback, but not high resolution audio.

Each component has a DAC built in. The DAC inside the AE is not top notch, which means that when you're using regular analog line out from the AE you're getting a reduction in signal resolution, and lots of jitter. I would recommend finding an older wireless G (A1084) model with it's lower jitter.

I'm not in the possession of a PM so I cannot comment on the quality of DAC they use, there is little or no information about its specially tuned DAC and it's ability to stream 24 bit or HiRes files. But my ears don't lie, its sounding a lot better then AE.

As the AE the PM uses AirPlay what is not my thing because it's an Apple standard it's closed-off and proprietary. Why not looking for a hard-wired set-up to avoid the PM or AE, an use only the iPad for control with Apple's own remote app.

Edit: Hereby a pic of my music-dedicated mac mini, using a iPad or iTouch around the house with the Apple remote.

 

This is something that got me really confused and unhappy with my setup, I had an AE and it was convenient and good, then I tried an outboard DAC with it and the sound was excellent, then I bought an Apple T V and connected that to the DAC, but at the same time changed by old Avant for BV8, stlll connected to Pentas (which have been refoamed) - sound went from great to ok but lost loads of oomph (for want of a better word), so I bought a BM6500 and connected the output from the DAC to that - distortion and too much bass - back to the BV8 but then tried it just connected via HDMI and all three speakers on - finally it sounds good again. 

I now long for the days when everything was simple - my other system a BM5500 with S75's actually sounds better but it's in a different house with different furnishings lower ceiling and floor boards compared to the flat which has high ceilings and carpets. So I guess that has something to do with it - and then thanks to someone on this site I found out that moving the speakers helped dramatically! If I had the energy and a vehicle big enough I would try swapping them over.

It would be interesting though if someone organised a get together to try out the different DACs and solutions? Any interest? I'm in London and Frinton (essex) if there are any other Beoworlders out there interested in trying out different configurations and speakers etc

 

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ajames wrote:

This is something that got me really confused and unhappy with my setup, I had an AE and it was convenient and good, then I tried an outboard DAC with it and the sound was excellent, then I bought an Apple T V and connected that to the DAC, but at the same time changed by old Avant for BV8, stlll connected to Pentas (which have been refoamed) - sound went from great to ok but lost loads of oomph (for want of a better word), so I bought a BM6500 and connected the output from the DAC to that - distortion and too much bass - back to the BV8 but then tried it just connected via HDMI and all three speakers on - finally it sounds good again. 

I now long for the days when everything was simple - my other system a BM5500 with S75's actually sounds better but it's in a different house with different furnishings lower ceiling and floor boards compared to the flat which has high ceilings and carpets. So I guess that has something to do with it - and then thanks to someone on this site I found out that moving the speakers helped dramatically! If I had the energy and a vehicle big enough I would try swapping them over.

It would be interesting though if someone organised a get together to try out the different DACs and solutions? Any interest? I'm in London and Frinton (essex) if there are any other Beoworlders out there interested in trying out different configurations and speakers etc

 

I share your frustration! Organising a meeting time & location convenient for several peeps and getting an assortment of DACs is possibly a tall order though.

I'm going to have put some thought into drawing up a list of exactly what are my requirements!

>>Organising a meeting time & location convenient for several peeps and getting an assortment of DACs is possibly a tall order though.<<

The interesting thing is, just like it was stated earlier, there are really many maybe too many variables for this to make sense. I found for example, that when I connected my BL3/BL2 combo directly to my BV8 32 the sound quality would take a noticeable hit. That could be a version glitch in the software or something else. My dirt cheap DAC doesnt produce a signal loud enough for my BS9000, plus the buzz noise when powering it up.

I would almost always recommend sticking to B&O and not introduce any third party equipment, but then play around within that framework to see what sounds best to your ears, for you music taste and lastly for your music source.

BeoBoy68 wrote:

Why buying an old and ugly Playmaker which is finally discontinued ?

Let's buy the new elegant BeoSound Essence !

Went to dealer to meet Michael and while I was there I asked about the Essence and the Beo4.

There may at long last be an IR support - part number 8089119.

Unfortunately the command N.Music is used to access Spotify ... Which is too restrictive for me.

Anyone else heard about this new feature / function ?

@elephant - are you sure this can't be redefined in the setup via the BeoMusic app?

If they would only tell us a bit of how this - with the ir eye - is going to work!

Untill then I will continue to recommend the Playmaker.

MM

Location: Flensborg————Danmark

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