Plasma v lcd

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Seven years ago, we had Plasma flatscreens everywhere at work ( Aerospace ). The screens were hot, could only be used in dark, low lumen, or non-lighted conditions, and suffered greatly from burn-in phantoms.

Imagine looking at a 3-D soft imagery for detail items for any period of time, and having a new screen repaced constantly due to burn in.

Five years ago, all Plasma screens were pulled and replaced by LED flatscreens. There was quite a bit of discussion about LCD versus LED, but the decision had been made at a much higher level after much testing. And after many years of use, the results ( as some have mentioned above ) are condiderably better.

Instant on, bright colours, no burn-in, less heat emitted, no problem with lighting ( except direct sunlight ), and as the technology increases, much improved resolution. The various generational models of HDMI are well appreciated by all. The cost has dropped I'm told, as LED units are less expensive to manufacture, and as the units can be sold in greater volume, High Volume manufacturing adds another cost savings.

I have both an older Gateway Plasma, and 2007 LED at home, and there is a noticeable difference in picture, use, heat, area lighting, and care. Audio is of course B & O.

The Plasma has given us many hours of nightime ( or draw the vertical blinds ) entertainment and computer use over the years, and despite any problems other than heat, we know that well past the warranty expiration, the unit will be replaced someday in the near future.

Unless thin-film HD screens become available soon, the replacement will be an LED flatscreen, which today ( 17.12.2007 ) is less than one fifth the cost of the original Plasma.

Beolab:

The thing with the new Samsung LED LCD is the black level not the brightness level! The Samsung F96 can dim or even turn the LED lamp off.. = Zero black... The F96 consists of 400 LEDs and the processor have full control of every one!

So the brightness level are the same as on average LCD with 500cd/m2.. I experienced  it yesterday and the picture was outstanding.. It´s looks pretty funny when you look at a pitch black scene.. The screen turn of the the hole panel for a tenth of a second.. = Pitch black...

 Take a look at your local dealer...

 

Regards 

 

is this the same 'pitch black' you experience on the BV7 mk111!!!

Hehe, so you think you are a funny now!?  We can discuss your plastic (Fiat) Ferrari 355 instead.. Have you bought it because you are in lack of the extra inches in the bed or what??? Or why are you always picking on me and my belongings?? I now there is much better speakers and TV:s but you don´t have to remind me in every sentence please..  

Take a look here.. The original picture of BV7 Mark III .. It´s good for a LCD but bad for a plasma in your mind..

I´m about to buy a BV9 and five BL5´s so you don´t have to pick on me every day, or what is the matter with you!??? 

 

355f:

I most say you did a smart move then..  ( That you sold it..)

I´m about to sell one of my BV7´s also... But i don´t now what to buy to replace it.. I want something that is streets ahead.. Maybe the new 2008 - BV4 ?? 

 

Regards

 

When I was a kid in the 1970s, CRT colour TVs were about as expensive as today's high end LCDs or low-end plasma TVs (relative to people's income that is).
In those days, when a TV broke, we would replace the CRT.
Can BV7s and BV9s have their panels replaced in similar fashion?
If so, would it be possible to upgrade the panels as higher quality panels become available?

Stupid question?
Beolab:
Beolab:

The thing with the new Samsung LED LCD is the black level not the brightness level! The Samsung F96 can dim or even turn the LED lamp off.. = Zero black... The F96 consists of 400 LEDs and the processor have full control of every one!

So the brightness level are the same as on average LCD with 500cd/m2.. I experienced  it yesterday and the picture was outstanding.. It´s looks pretty funny when you look at a pitch black scene.. The screen turn of the the hole panel for a tenth of a second.. = Pitch black...

 Take a look at your local dealer...

 

Regards 

 

is this the same 'pitch black' you experience on the BV7 mk111!!!

Hehe, so you think you are a funny now!?  We can discuss your plastic (Fiat) Ferrari 355 instead.. Have you bought it because you are in lack of the extra inches in the bed or??? 

Take a look here..

 

I sold it when realised that it was good to look at but under the bonnet lacked technical advances- rather like the bv7!

Got to love a good debate! Its great when people are passionate about something. I can understand that people feel 355f criticises the BV7 and I can see why people jump to its defence, both owners and non-owners. As a BV7 owner myself I really like reading posts on both sides because 355f speaks his mind and is honest, which is an admirable trait. Beolab and others reply with equally factual answers, which makes for interesting and thought provoking reading. This is absolutly fantastic for anyone wishing to buy a new TV as they can get an honest, reliable, independent review of current technology, which is precisely what I did for about a year before taking the plunge and buying the BV7. 355f actually likes the BV7 a lot and considers it one of the best TVs in the B&O range for its B&O'ness. I am in slight agreement with this but my heart will always go out to the BV5 because of its design which I loved; more so in fact than any product in B&O range ever. I really really did like this TV. But, in the end, I had no choice but to buy the BV7 because that was the TV that had the connectivity and most importantly for me, it was the TV that was going to retain its value far more for a trade in somewhere down the line than the BV5. I hated the fact that I had to go this route but I wanted a B&O set and that was my only option realistically. However, back in 2005, if I had been armed with £12,500 and was looking for the then top TV, I would have almost certainly come back with a BV5. I just think its shame that it hasn't retained its value for long at all. This is not something you see very often with B&O products but something we may have to start getting used to because its dictated by technology not B&O. It will be really interesting to see what TVs B&O come out with in the future. I do like the BV8 a lot and I am looking forward to seeing the BV10 although it doesn't sound like a major leap forward in terms of its design. I hope B&O will continue to suprise me. The danger is that they don't do enough and like back in the 80s, the company only just stays afloat relying on 2 or 3 best selling products. Its definitly time for B&O to get a new breed of young talented and enthusiastic designers in. I am sure there are some incredible and innovative ideas out there just waiting to come into fruition and B&O are the company to pull it off. It would be unthinkable if B&O ever collapsed. I love their company and their philosophy more than any other in the world; they have such a wonderful history with so many talented individuals and have contributed so much in their field.

Simon.

Stupid question?

Not at all. A very good question in fact. The BeoVision 5 could be updated with newer Panasonic panels, D4-D7 possibly to D8 if I am not mistaken. However, I almost sure this isn't possible with LCD technology because of the backlight technology. Not sure about the BV9 but I suspect its possible too.

Simon. 

Terrapolitan:
When I was a kid in the 1970s, CRT colour TVs were about as expensive as today's high end LCDs or low-end plasma TVs (relative to people's income that is).
In those days, when a TV broke, we would replace the CRT.
Can BV7s and BV9s have their panels replaced in similar fashion?
If so, would it be possible to upgrade the panels as higher quality panels become available?

Stupid question?

Not at all. A very good question in fact. The BeoVision 5 could be updated with newer Panasonic panels, D4-D7 possibly to D8 if I am not mistaken. However, I almost sure this isn't possible with LCD technology because of the backlight technology. Not sure about the BV9 but I suspect its possible too.

Simon. 

LCD = It´s possible to change the panel... A few users on this forum have done it on their BV7-32 MK I´s to MK III panel with SW update....

(I remember i asked my dealer and Beoservice how much it would set me back to upgrade my silver BV7-40 MK II to Full HD panel without BS3 chassis before i bought the MKIII also.. And the price was about 2000€ just for panel and installation ...) 

i wonder who'll take over when david lewis retires ?
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