Indeed, though this may be a US specific phenomenon

Not sure too much has changed in Europe though. I bought new 18’s in early 2015 for I think 4300 GBP, and sold them at the beginning of this year for 3500.

That’s fairly impressive I would say- the equivalent of renting a new pair of 18’s for less than 200 pounds per year of ownership

But I can imagine the situation has become both worse and perhaps different to how it once was in the US, as the brands presence there has pulled back somewhat

Wow,

I shared my experience to hear different opinions, but what I found instead are closed minded passive aggressive people like you. Your answer was amazing, specially the last part. 

None of you knows me, none of knows what I have or what I don’t, those kinds of answers belongs just in the 1800s

I’m afraid we are a protective bunch. We can be the first to criticise B&O heavily and the last to tolerate or listen to its faults by newcomers. Please don’t get upset. I’m guilty of being sarcastic and impatient and I am no angel. I’ve lost my patience with B&O more in recent years than ever before. B&O is no longer the B&O of the 1970-2000s or may be us old timers haven’t evolved into it.

I’m afraid that despite what audiophiles will tell you, unless it is some esoteric collectors piece, all hifi is depreciating and never financially an asset as some have said on other hifi forums. I bought my exdemo BL90s and came close to selling them after the kids arrived with little listening time but was only offered 60% of what I paid for them despite being only 2 years old. Hifi equipment depreciates slow and steady or hard and fast. Hifi is a luxury item and every few years something new is brought out however B&O release new things much slower than Sony, LG, Panasonic….etc.

Make sure you have latest software.

Make sure you have the correct cables. I accidentally swapped a cable on my BL5 and encountered faults. I panicked as I thought the speakers had developed a serious and expensive fault. Steve at Sounds Heavenly who is on this forum is a solid and helpful chap. He will advise and sell you the right cable at sensible prices. Get in touch with him.

Most B&O gear especially of the era up to BL5 is reliable and better built than anything else in the world. The problems really arrived for B&O when they moved to non-physical formats and their software is famous and legendary for being basic, terrible, buggy….(insert negative adjective here) but we are seeing a positive but very slow progress in this domain. Let’s hope B&O do enough to ‘save their own bacon’.

B&O have for most of its 90 years been cutting-edge, beautiful, different and solid but they have also brought out some rubbish.

Don’t give on B&O or Beoworlders.

Rod wrote:

I deleted my original post due to all the passive aggressive people commenting without understand the point. So please be free to be you in this one where you can rant, find and try to offend others with polite writing.

 

enjoy…

Changing the title and contents of the original post of a thread is not something we usually see here.
Members commented on your original post, - not what's currently visible.

Could you please tell me, what upset you or why/where you felt misunderstood?
Feel free to PM or email me.

Martin

Rod wrote:

I deleted my original post due to all the passive aggressive people commenting without understand the point. So please be free to be you in this one where you can rant, find and try to offend others with polite writing.

enjoy…

BL5, Beosound Core, Cambridge Magic DAC plus, sony hi res player, Beosound 2

Forum is not for every one. It is 1001 different opinions. Take your pick.

I wasn’t passive aggresive I don’t think, but if i came off as such, that certainly wasn’t my intention at all. Personally didn’t read any of the other comments as such either, i think most here try to ask questions/prod a bit to better understand what was meant.

Rod wrote:

 

I deleted my original post due to all the passive aggressive people commenting without understand the point. So please be free to be you in this one where you can rant, find and try to offend others with polite writing.

 

 

enjoy…

 

BL5, Beosound Core, Cambridge Magic DAC plus, sony hi res player, Beosound 2

if these posts seems to You as passive aggressive, then I would recommend You to cut of Internet.

Other advice, look in the mirror; You proposed only to receive responses in line of Your opinion. So can You handle other opinions?

 

edit: "our opinion" should have been "your opinion", so changed

 

Carolpa wrote:

Other advice, look in the mirror; You proposed only to receive responses in line of our opinion. So can You handle other opinions?

If someone makes a point, rather than delete it in a huff, claiming the replies were 'passive aggressive', simply expand on the original point. If a poster thinks we've got it all wrong - which i doubt - feel free to interject and tell us.

My reply was that B&O - like all modern companies - has to adapt to stay in business. You can't take a model from, say, the 90s and simply stick with it for life as individuals expect the same company they grew up with, to remain untouched. The problem with that model is that the number of people supporting drops off, so revenue reduces and the company goes bust: there aren't enough Rod's for example.

Also, in my opinion, the Level and Balance are some of the most impressive products to come out of B&O for many years. Sure they aren't BL5s, but for the price and performance, they are very impressive indeed, competitive and aren't manufactured any differently from competitors: most modern electronics are competitively priced, but ultimately not designed to be repaired.

I'm happy with that. More than happy with those purchases. I'd say there's rarely anything - perhaps BeoSound 1 aside - which has left me disappointed in 2021. And the BL5s are amazing, considering how old they are!

I re-read the thread and didn't detect any passive aggressiveness either.  I even researched the definition of passive aggressive thinking maybe my understanding was incorrect (it wasn't). 

To give the OP the benefit of the doubt, perhaps we perceive this differently because (dangerously speaking for others) it's because we've been on this forum for so long that we sort of "know" many of the posters (or at least know how they tend to respond and see nothing out of character).  On the other hand, what comes across to me is "doesn't agree with me" = passive aggressive.

As I said in my original post in this thread, you can't please everyone.

Speaking of not pleasing everyone (to Moxxey 🙂), I think B&O fixed the Beosound 1.  When it first came out, I thought it was a dud, but I bought one last year over the Level for a variety of reasons (NL support today vs. "future" being one of them).

Stan wrote:

Speaking of not pleasing everyone (to Moxxey 🙂), I think B&O fixed the Beosound 1.  When it first came out, I thought it was a dud, but I bought one last year over the Level for a variety of reasons (NL support today vs. "future" being one of them).

It's decent, but the Level is, erm, another Level! It's not quite a BS2, but it's 75% there and very portable. Also, my BS1 constantly loses the connection to wifi, thus can't be found on the app, and I have to manually reset it each time. It's the only device that does that. Very odd.

I think, on balance, I'd recommend a Level to people. B&O has got this spot on. Unlike the BS1 you can easily remove it from power, especially when it's on the wall mount.