I do believe that the real question is : can we have a tv that has a good picture with every sources in every conditions, with a good design and is simple to operate ?

I think B&O tvs go in the right direction.

I think that a BV7-40 MKIII has got a good picture with standard definition and a very good picture with HD.

So, buying a B&O tv these days is a reflexion about the price (sure, it's very expensive), but i think for the price, we can get a very good package in terms of picture, sound, picture processing, design, integration...

Of course, the Avant could last 20 years.

A new B&O tv can last at least 5 years if the sources are not changing (standard definition and 720 + 1080p).

I trade my BV3-32 for a BV10-40, and i'm really happy with the picture.

Plus, i got a very good sound (not the Avant sound, of course, but it's really OK), an amazing design, the Beo4 remote, the PUC...

4 times the price of a samsung, but so much more attractive.

Of course, the 17 000 Euros BV12 is another story...

If the 10-40 was 4 times the UK price of a Samsung, I'd have 2.

stotty1111 wrote:

I use a 7-32, a 6-26 a 4002 and a 17" panel which is now 8 years old(came from a cheapo outlet here in France think it cost 200€ however it begins to show its age picture quality wise)

Anything looks good on a non-1080P <32" screen! I can watch SD on my BC6-26 and never even realise I'm not watching, say, Sky Sports HD. There's zero need for HD etc on a 32" or lower screen.

However, move to the BV10-46, with its 1080P screen and SD looks pixelated and sport is unwatchable. Of course, HD is superb.

That's the problem - an Avant or similar is fine if you don't want a large screen. If you want a 40/46/55 or larger TV - and many people do these days - then you're stuffed.

No argument saying picture quality on the BV7-32 is as good as HDMI/HD as it's the size of the panel, not the quality of the TV. Move up to 46" and try the same thing again.

If you're happy sticking with a 32" TV, then picture quality isn't an issue as it's good whatever the source.

Very happy with my Avant and indeed my BV5. Picture is fine to my eyes on both and the sound brilliant. Not planning to change any time soon!

I have to say that if SD looks pixellated,and sport is unwatchable,on a 46" TV then one has to question the quality of either the aerial/dish installation,or the TV's processing.

I had no such problems with my 4 year old 60" Pioneer Plasma TV.

It is a sad fact of life that LCD,given it's initial problems,not all of which have been resolved,has been a rapidly advancing technology.

Only now have I felt confident about buying into LCD/LED,and my choice has been B & O.

In buying an expensive TV one hopes that external quality is matched by that of the internal components,construction,and final quality control inspection.

Unfortunately,buying a TV,even a top of the range model,from one of the major brands has become too much of a lottery in terms of obtaining a fault free set.

I agree..

I've been a B&O fan since forever. Bought my first TV set (LS5500) in 1990 it was not the double price of a comparable Sony, but close, but so much better looking and gave that nice feeling to use it ever since.

But today, its not the double price, we are talking 10 times compared to a decent/good value plasma or LED from some of the larger manufacturers. It's hard even to convince myself it is value for money any more..

/P

I just bought a used BV4-42 and don't have to worry about it getting out of date, it allready is! In the old days we were happy with what we had. Today we have much better quality in picture and sound and after a short while we get unhappy because there is something new. Why can't we just be happy with the products we have? The future will keep bringing new products, but do we really need them as soon as they arrive?

Blackrix wrote:

Why can't we just be happy with the products we have? The future will keep bringing new products, but do we really need them as soon as they arrive?

Partly as we want larger screens, improved panels and so on. 

It's impossible for an SD signal to deliver anything near HD quality as it's a low-bitrate 576i pixel transmission. Sure a plasma may be able to smooth out some of the pixelisation you may get from an SD signal, but I can tell you now that HD is vastly improved, particularly for watching sport.

Double post due to forum issues :(

moxxey wrote:

Blackrix wrote:

Why can't we just be happy with the products we have? The future will keep bringing new products, but do we really need them as soon as they arrive?

Partly as we want larger screens, improved panels and so on.

Exactly, because we want larger screens, not because we need them. And the industry is playing with this by giving us new products with new better specs as fast as possible to make sure the product you have at home is out of date so you want to buy a new one. Not because it is broken, but because you want the newest technology.  B&O is trying hard to keep up to date, but the company is small so it is hard for them. So can we blame B&O for our own wish to have the newest technology, even when we don't really need it?