Hiort wrote:

Aussie Michael wrote:

Beroli (Oliver) all of your suggestions are excellent. I can't agree more about the swiping backwards to go forwards. Very odd. I think it was Chris T that said this too ages ago.

Actually, I think it makes sense the way it's implemented.

When you swipe to next page in eg. an ebook in iPad, you do a right to left swipe.

Same when you jump between pages in the browser.

Would actually dare to say it's a standard way of implementing a jump to the next thing in a UI.

I already wrote that pages ago - and I did not receive a medal on that statement 🙁

MM

Raeuber wrote:

Millemissen wrote:

Sorry, but that is not what you are doing!

When you choose something to listen to from the Moment or from the BeoMusic app (via the interface), the playback on the connected speakers/connected BV starts immidiately.

This is the beauty of the BS Moment and/or the B&O BeoMusic-app - they are integrated parts of the B&O setup.

However, if this 'magic' is not that important to you, there is no reason for you to change your behaviour.

Just keep on pushing buttons and change apps on a device, that you often have to unlock, before it can be used - it is your choice.

Maybe, when the 'multiroom'-update is rolled out, you will see, what you miss by clinging to thirdparty devices and apps.

MM.

When playing with the Moment it took more time with Moment-Deezer than with AppleTV-IPad-Spotify when I started a song until I heard this song.

Räuber

I would probably have had exactly the same problem as you, if I had tried it.

However - and I know that Beroli won't agree on that - I knew from the start, that this is not, what I should expect from interfacing with the device.

As I have written many times before, searching is not the primary function of the Moment.

The MoodWheel is the primary function. Through using the MoodWheel you feed the PatternPlay function with informations on what you like to hear and when.

Searching definitely is there, but as the second layer in the interface, which was clear to me right from the start. It may be improved soon, but it will still be the second layer.

I did not opt for the Moment for myself exactly for that reason. I am a bit like you = I like to search for the content, i want to hear, and I don't need a device, that serves me with music for the 'right mood'.

BUT I know very well, that this is the way, that a lot of users nowadays want to enjoy music - which is fine.

Those (Moment owners), who want to do some deeper searching, can use the BeoMusic app and - in addition - (soon) control their 'multiroom'-setup from there.

Focusing on a search function on that particular device, would contradict the simplicity of 'moodwheeling' and letting the device serve you through PatternPlay!

 

The difference between you and me is, that I accept this, and that I salute B&O for making a device, that suits the needs of a lot of people.

You don't accept that!  

On the contrary -  you curse B&O (and the management) because, they did not offer the device, you want.

This is not a device, that will suit everybody (especially not us nerdy Beoworlders), and it surely is not a 'swiss-knife media player'.

It is a 'music butler', a fine one.

If you like that - buy it. If you don't - leave it.

Simple as that!

MM

 

Millemissen wrote:

The difference between you and me is, that I accept this, and that I salute B&O for making a device, that suits the needs of a lot of people.

You don't accept that!  

On the contrary -  you curse B&O (and the management) because, they did not offer the device, you want.

This is not a device, that will suit everybody (especially not us nerdy Beoworlders), and it surely is not a 'swiss-knife media player'.

It is a 'music butler', a fine one.

If you like that - buy it. If you don't - leave it.

Simple as that!

MM

 

 

So you salute B&O for creating a device that you did not want, but ridicule everyone else who actually did want the device, bought it and but found it to be wanting. Your logic defies description.

 

There is no rational reason that the Moment cannot be all things to all men other than ineptness on the part of the UI designers.

 

"Focusing on a search function on that particular device, would contradict the simplicity of 'moodwheeling' and letting the device serve you through PatternPlay!"

If you don't search, how does it work out pattern play?😕

Millemissen wrote:

....

However - and I know that Beroli won't agree on that - I knew from the start, that this is not, what I should expect from interfacing with the device.

As I have written many times before, searching is not the primary function of the Moment.

The MoodWheel is the primary function. Through using the MoodWheel you feed the PatternPlay function with informations on what you like to hear and when. Searching definitely is there, but as the second layer in the interface, which was clear to me right from the start. It may be improved soon, but it will still be the second layer.

I did not opt for the Moment for myself exactly for that reason. I am a bit like you = I like to search for the content, i want to hear, and I don't need a device, that serves me with music for the 'right mood'.

...

Those (Moment owners), who want to do some deeper searching, can use the BeoMusic app and - in addition - (soon) control their 'multiroom'-setup from there. Focusing on a search function on that particular device, would contradict the simplicity of 'moodwheeling' and letting the device serve you through PatternPlay!

....

It is a 'music butler', a fine one. If you like that - buy it. If you don't - leave it. Simple as that!

MM

Dear MM,

I wrote, that the way you have to swipe to the next title, sfeels awkward to ME, some agreed, i don't need medals on my comments. The explaination from Hiort, why it is like it is right now (turning pages..., webbrowser) - never thought of this. For me it was more like button on the left/right on a Musicsystem. But I can adapt- so I am fine, if they don't change this function.

But since you won't stop, explaining the Moment and the philosophy behind, I had to copy my own statement about the search-function and your "fine Music-Butler-theory" 

Beroli wrote:

@ MM

this is really a selective view of you. ... just one disappointment about the lousy implemented Search-Function is enough for you, to tell someone that this Device is not for him. ... There is no need for a history lesson about MOTS. I don´t complain about MOTS, the great "music-butler"-function, Design, ...

Let´s ... talk about promises and facts. Maybe you should have a look on the youtube-Video ("The concept behind BeoSound Moment)" from B&O. B&O UX concept designer Lyle Clarke explain the concept and thoughts that went into designing BeoSound Moment. ...

As you can see on the Video, our "music-butler" (man - I really like this phrase) can serve us from 3 different Sources - from your stockpile of music on your NAS/Server/Mac..., from the cloud (Deezer, TuneIn) and finally he can serve us a mixture of both. Therefore you can find on the "Mood-Wheel" 3 Zones. If you are telling me that the Server-Function is not a main part of the BeoSound Moment, then you can stop reading. 

... A good Butler knows what you want. But to do his job right, you will need to teach him in which mood you are right now. Since there is no listening device in the BS Moment you will need a proper search-function to express your needs. And if you know that your special need is only in your local Source, you will have to point him in the right direction. Therefore I totally disagree with you, that the search-function is not a basic, fundamental function. This is the only way to "tell" the "chief manservant of music" in which mood you are, so "he" can learn your "pattern" for the future and to serve us better.

Currently we don´t have a proper search. Trying to explain what we want to hear, is like playing Charade. But instead of starting with the first word - we start with "One!" Capital. That´s all! Nothing more or less! Afterwards I have to go trough the whole stockpile - by Artist, by Album, by Title - and point on the desired. If this procedure is so tiresome, as it is right now, you will stop to "explain". In the End your "Butler" will serve you in the future something mediocre, but not anything in your mood. The pattern-play will become a farce.

I agree with you, when our "music-Butler" (for the last time ;-)) knows our pattern, we should not bother anymore, from which source/stock he delivers - the main search function will "step-down" to a secondary function. But - until this revolutionary B&O-Vision - pattern-play - will work properly, it needs time and above all it needs the right tools - like a modern search function across all sources - to reach the goal, when the concept behind BeoSound Moment will be true.

Cheers Beroli

open for discussion,

MM

since you won't provide a explaination, how you - or in your wisdom B&O - intendends to "comunicate" with the "fine - music - butler" without a proper search function to "teach" your Mood and to create a music-pattern.

Just pressing some colored areas from the very first start on, ends in endless backwards swiping or in experiences like this:

i am feeling - red - oh thats not my mood, this neither, this song isn't even close to my mood, why is this song in a red area, lets try the search, - damn - i have searched Zucchero before - just wait I will swipe forward until my fingers are bleeding to get to the f**** search before A. Forget it. Lets use a iPad - after i had a discussion with the family -  why they have to hand one of their devices over, because B&O did such a " great job with a basic function" Where is my iPhone - ah in the docking station - empty again...

So could you please stop telling us owners, that we should use the iPad instead of demanding a better basic function. In other cases you tell the complete oposite - like the Moment (i agree) should be the main input, not the iPad/Phone...

Cheers Beroli

Chris Townsend wrote:

"Focusing on a search function on that particular device, would contradict the simplicity of 'moodwheeling' and letting the device serve you through PatternPlay!"

If you don't search, how does it work out pattern play?😕

You use the MoodWheel!

MM

@beroli

You may use the device the way you want to - I don't care, really.

If it pleases you, you should be fine.

However - what I read in your comments - it doesn't please you.

But you still like it, and I wonder why?

I guess we have made our points on the previous pages - time to let other owners/users and future buyers decide how they want to use the device.

MM

Whilst all this debate over there virtues or the moment goes on (or not!) does anyone have any ideas as to how well it is actually doing in terms of sales?

Ultimately that is going to define the legacy of the thing.

Ben

How many choices are left mm!

 

 

koning wrote:

How many choices are left mm!

????

MM