Thanks for that new version :-)

By the way - if anyone should doubt, that B&O is different from the lot of other A or A/V companies, you just have to show him this documentation.

MM

@ mjmedlo

yes it is a essence mk2

@ Chris

thank you very much for the Bible on BeoLink. I had a older version of it. Therefore a welcomed gift.

I have found the reason, why the LINK-Tab didn't showed up on the jukebox-Display.

It seems, it is a bug. In the speaker-setup from the BS-Moment, you can choose for the Moment to use the speakers connected to the TV. If you do this, the Moment will not show the LINK-Tab with the other NL-sources. But if you switch off the option to use the Speakers connected to the TV, the LINK-Tab will appear after a reset. I can reproduce this issue as much I want to.

Switching off the said TV-Speaker-connection will result is some new functions. Now you can join the Essence-source, because the LINK-Tab is there. When using the Beoremote One, I see now on the Jukebox-Display the changes in the volume-level. The digits of the volume-level were not seen on the jukebox, if you had to switch on the TV-Speaker-connection. 

If the TV-Speaker-connection is off, you can not change the Volume on the small wheel on the Jukebox - but you will see the digits running down/Up - but without any real changes of the Volume. Changing the volume for good is only possible, with the BeoRemote One. Naturally you can not switch on the whole setup by pressing just one button on the Jukebox. You have to switch on the TV manually with the remote.

In the End, switching off the TV-Speaker-connection in the settings of the Beosound Moment is not an option for me. Losing the ability to start with one-button, not being able to change the Volume on the Jukebox itself, makes it worse - even if I „win“ the said Join & display-volume - functions.

I sent a mail including pictures and screenshots to B&O. I am sure, they will fix it. 😁

In the past weeks I spent hours in talking, writing & testing to support B&O. The latest Software is a big step forward. If the cache from the jukebox is full, the jukebox will switch on and off in some less seconds. Therefore - no additional paperclip-resets on the jukebox are necessary. The device is much snappier, quicker and much more stable. Worth buying - finally. The BeoMusic App has improved as well. Now I can skip to the next track in my own playlist. Awesome. I still hope, they will add a shuffle-function for the playlists in the BeoMusic App as well.

Cheers Beroli

This option (use TV speakers) in the BS Moment setup menu is there for a reason! It is used for the "integrated" setups where you do not have speakers connected to the BS Moment and you want to use either ML TV through BLC or a NL TV speakers.

If you disable this you should connect speakers directly to your BS Moment and you are able to control and use the BS Moment as any other B&O audio product. Keep in mind that toggling this feature off/on will result changes in NL configuration and you may now need to reconfigure your mappings in BLC. 

Kulles wrote:

This option (use TV speakers) in the BS Moment setup menu is there for a reason! It is used for the "integrated" setups where you do not have speakers connected to the BS Moment and you want to use either ML TV through BLC or a NL TV speakers.

If you disable this you should connect speakers directly to your BS Moment and you are able to control and use the BS Moment as any other B&O audio product. Keep in mind that toggling this feature off/on will result changes in NL configuration and you may now need to reconfigure your mappings in BLC. 

Hi Kulles,

... bad day at the office? You can believe me, that I know, that this option is there for a reason -  i have 5 speakers connected to my TV and I dont want to change my setup in a simple stereo configuration with 2 speakers connected to the BS-Moment. So there is no reason for your exclamation marks. Please keep in mind, that I wasn't "toggling" with this feature without any reason and I am aware, that any changes in the NL-setup will need some mapping reconfigurations afterwards. 

I was just explaining, that by switching off the TV-speaker-configuration the Link-Tab appears and that the Link-Tab should be visible and usable in a intergrated setup like mine too. Therfore I was running tests. After a factory reset on the NL/ML converter (that is the name of the new device after the BLC), I configurated just the Essence in the setup, then I switched on the BS Moment and recognized that the Link-Tab appeared out of the blue. In the next step, I activated in the speaker-setup the TV-speaker-connection - with the unwanted result, that the Link-Tab with the symbol to join the Essence disapeared. I tried all possible reconfiguration-ways - without a proper result.

Some years ago, I had a MX7000 and a ouverture with a Converter in a similar setup. If anyone would tell you, that you will lose advertised functions - like "Join", just by activating a common speaker-setup, you would call him in your same kind way, that he must be joking. So please, before you get more agitated, my post was just about a observation, regarding a still unsolved problem in my common setup.

BR Beroli

Hi Beroli,

In another thread, you spoke of the utility of a to-do-list in order to smoothen the installation of a Moment in a setup and ensure flawless operation of the product.

Unfortunately such a list does not exist, but could you summarize -in the light of your experience-  what  should to be done?

I think of buying a Moment and want to be ready...

Thanks in advance and kind regards,

Yann.

Beroli wrote:

 i have 5 speakers connected to my TV and I dont want to change my setup in a simple stereo configuration with 2 speakers connected to the BS-Moment.

I wonder if the 'Link' button would be disappearing also if using 5 Wisa equipped speakers in this setup.

Hi Yann,

I think, now is the best time to start with the Moment. Most of the crippling bugs and issues are solved. There is still a way to go to be as flawless, as the Essence, but the Moment-setup is more fragile, because the whole processing of your own content depends heavy on your preparation.

Let's start

1. Network

It is mandatory, that you have a stable network. So please make sure and test in advance, that you will have no drop-outs or package losses, from the place where you want to install the Moment. A perfect tool, to determine/examine your whole Network for your iPhone is FLING. The best way would be to use a Laptop and to try to ping your Server, Router.... The response times should be as low as possible. Sometimes a old switch or router can cause you headaches with the Moment. But nowadays switches are cheap and easy to exchange.

WIFI: WIFI is needed for the communication  between the Soundheart (Base) and the Jukebox (tablet). In the first setup of your moment, you have to login in your WIFI-Network (5GHz is not supported). Your Wifi SSID should have no special characters (like &). B&O explicitly decided against special character to avoid support troubles with all the possible keyboard-configurations all over the world. If the Moment shows your SSID (including special characters), it doesn't mean the device will log in. You will stuck in the next step of the first setup, without knowing why.

Use a wifi scanner to determine the best stable channel of your WIFI network. The better your Wifi, the better and faster is your Moment experience.

2. Server

If you want to use your music/content on your Moment, you will need a server. This server should be running 24/7. Using a Laptop is possible too. But sometimes, when the Moment is missing the content, while you away, she will do some crazy stuff (errors, messed up databases - even when reconnected again)  Until now, the Moment works best with a Twonky-based Server. I saw in your very nice chart, that you already own a QNAP (most of them have a Twonky-server integrated or it is possible to install Twonky on it) The Twonky-Server-Software is available for Mac and PC as well. When you get your Moment you can apply for a Serialnumber from the B&O-Homepage for free. I use a mac mini, since my Synology wasn't supported very well. With the latest update on the BS-Moment, the "other-than-Twonky-DLNA-Servers" should have improved very much. I could not test it (to much work, less time)

3. Your music collection on the Server

It is most important, time-eating and crucial, that your music-collection is well sorted and well tagged. If you don't want to invest to much time in sorting and tagging, I recommend, you use mainly Deezer and search for your loved music there. A lot of Moment-owners do this and they are very happy with a only-Deezer and TuneIN solution. (btw: don't forget to create a TuneIn-account)

But - if you want to have your music - then I recommend the posts from Chris and JoostdenEngelsman in the thread "One month with the Moment" started by Hiort /forum/general-discussion-and-questions/one-month-with-the-moment . There you will find the best hints, how to organize your music-collection, how to create playlists. If you take these advices to your heart, you will have a well-sorted experience with the BS-Moment.

Before the latest update - the first processing of your music-collection took, depending on the size (number of tracks), very long. (30k tracks = 30 hours). Now, with the latest update B&O found a solution to shorten the processing extensively. (30k tracks = less than 12 hours)

If you need more informations, please check the thread "One month with the Moment". I wrote some posts there too /forum/general-discussion-and-questions/one-month-with-the-moment . So I am pretty sure, that you will have your time well spent by reading and preparing until the arrival of your new BS-Moment.

Cheers Beroli

Chris wrote:

Beroli wrote:

 i have 5 speakers connected to my TV and I dont want to change my setup in a simple stereo configuration with 2 speakers connected to the BS-Moment.

I wonder if the 'Link' button would be disappearing also if using 5 Wisa equipped speakers in this setup.

Hi Chris

I think, the "Link" button would be there. Unfortunately, only my BeoLab 18 is equipped with wisa and I don't want to invest more in additional hardware to connect the other speakers over Wisa. I am more the "only-cable-is-stable-guy". I don't know, if the speakers are connected to the Moment - will I still have 5.1, dolby digital ... or is it mandatory to use the Bang & Olufsen System integrated in the TV? That would be logical to me. I even don't know, how many speakers the Moment can handle.

I got the information from my dealer, that the NL-setup needs to be done in a certain sequence to have the "Link"-tab. I have just 3 devices and I think I tried all possible sequences. I will know it for sure, when I got the feedback from B&O.

Cheers Beroli

The Moment can handle up to 8 speakers - cabled and/or WiSA.

It is stereo only.

When the Moment is set up to use the speaker/s of a NL-BV, the tv handles the 'Join' function..

When the Moment has its own speakers, it handles the 'Join' function....and the 'Link' button is there.

MM

Millemissen wrote:

It is stereo only.

You're sure? I did understand that it has the same sound board as all the BSys4 based tv's.

Never tried it with speakers connected though.

Millemissen wrote:

The Moment can handle up to 8 speakers - cabled and/or WiSA.

the "or" is incorrect in this sentence. You have two PL connectors on the Moment = maximum of 4 speakers