Excellent followup comment - cheers Peter!

No probs, Jonathan - I was just incensed!

No probs, Jonathan - I was just incensed!

Flappo wrote:

I just want them t sort out the game lag then I'll be buying a 40" in black def.

 

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On my trawls through the various av forums on the web , only two tv brands consistently escaped any real condemnation ; panasonic and bang & olufsen !

In fact most people seemed to agree that while b&o left out all the crazy gimmicks like 3d , voice and motion control etc they left in what really matters - excellent picture & sound and solid build , oh and this time plenty of connections - 5 hdmis !!!

Sony's apparently suffer from excessive banding , samsung's have pixellation problems and poor backlights , toshiba's are unreliable and badly made , etc etc

The main complaint regarding b&o was always one thing - the price.

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I guess you get what you pay for. :)

I would hope they will sort the game lag out - it's most likely to be a software thing rather than the panel itself I would think

Re the Panasonic, Sony, Samsung etc, and all the consumer gimmicks etc, I totally agree.

Despite having had a good run with my previous Sony TV, on out and out absolute picture quality grounds, the only LED backlight/LCD TV that I've seen outperform the V1 overall, on absolute picture quality, is the more expensive B&O's.

I considered a plasma, which in my opinion is where I thought the  Panasonic's the best of the mainstream bunch, and perhaps the only mainstream set to truly compete with the V1 on picture quality grounds, and in some areas like black levels out perform it at least technically due the plasma technology, but weight and heat issues in a hot climate like Australia counted against it, as did power consumption with our carbon tax hiking electricity charges considerably, and when you added in the B&O style, quality, active speaker array and surround sound processor, it was really a no-brainer, despite costing quite a bit more.

As you say, you get what you pay for... 😕

Kind regards

John... 😐

moxxey wrote:

Flappo wrote:

The main complaint regarding b&o was always one thing - the price.

Well, that stops them becoming a product for the masses and, let's be honest here, B&O TVs aren't really produced for the masses. None of us here want B&O TVs to be products for the masses, either.

I couldn't care less about the comments that non-B&O owners write underneath B&O reviews or news. I'm not going to say it's "jealousy", but there's a certain amount of reverse psychology behind some of the negative comments. Almost as if they diss the product to convince themselves that it's of no interest whatsoever. However, if you offered most of those negative commentators a free BV10-40, I bet the majority of them would accept the offer with open arms. Everyone always wants the "best" TV, but most people can only afford a run-of-the-mill Samsung, so they convince themselves that B&O are ridiculous, simply so they can reassure themselves that their top-of-the-range Samsung is the best you can get in the market. They don't like to think that it can be trumped by a BV10-40....that they can't afford.

I very much agree with this, and think it a very good insight into how a lot of people think when it comes to consumer items and justifying/rationalising their purchases on a psychological level.

Kind regards

John... 😐

John wrote:

I very much agree with this, and think it a very good insight into how a lot of people think when it comes to consumer items and justifying/rationalising their purchases on a psychological level.

One thing that these non-B&O owning misunderstand is their £1500 Sony TV is worth peanuts in only a couple of years. Many of these people are quite keen to keep buying a new TV every couple or so years which, somewhat ironically, means that they are spending more than many V1 owners.

Buy a V1 now and you should be able to trade it in against a new V1, or another B&O, in a couple of years. Try doing that with a Sony or similar.

But, it's good that these people don't understand this. It's what keeps the brand somewhat special and unique.

Just out of interest, what do people think of this listing? It's been up for ages now and the price has been dropped a couple of times. I wonder where it's from and what kind of after sales support (if any) would be provided?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Bang-Olufsen-BeoPlay-V1-40-Black-With-Floor-Stand-Beo4-Play-Remote-/390446895965?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_Video_Televisions&hash=item5ae872d35d#ht_2951wt_1143

Hi John,

Congrats on the V1. Excellent purchase. I will be taking mine in white..🙂

I think B&O have made a seriously great product here. It's different, pretty much up to latest spec and outperforms a lot of other well known, established brands. It also does it at a realistic price. When I was involved with B&O, the BV7-40 was about $20k Ozzie money. Thats quite a chunk. Now its about $4.5k....! So for B&O, a steal in comparison for the same size.

I think the TV is really excellent and it shows what a tiny, insignificant Danish company can do when they stop being so arrogant. They have some hugely fantastic people and now their head is well above the sand, they are starting to realise the can make a fantastic product that people want to buy! Believe me, I have had my share of rants at the upper echelon.

I have read the review that has been posted and it's fairly typical. I agree that the V1 is more expensive than some of the TVs on the market. Big deal. It's B&O, it won't ever be cheap, but at least you can view a decent movie and see all the detail as the director intended and hear the sounds that add to the experience. The $400 jobbie, like a friend of mine requires constant setting adjustment and I find myself struggling to hear some dialogue. But like anything, if you have a passion for good movies, fine wine, fashion, cars etc. you pay for what you get - that's life.

So, I think good on you. It gives you enjoyment and I think it's a great buy. The people who look for bargain basement sets will always be a little awed by the picture and sound of B&O in my experience.

Dude1 wrote:

Hi John,

Congrats on the V1. Excellent purchase. I will be taking mine in white..🙂

I think B&O have made a seriously great product here. It's different, pretty much up to latest spec and outperforms a lot of other well known, established brands. It also does it at a realistic price. When I was involved with B&O, the BV7-40 was about $20k Ozzie money. Thats quite a chunk. Now its about $4.5k....! So for B&O, a steal in comparison for the same size.

I think the TV is really excellent and it shows what a tiny, insignificant Danish company can do when they stop being so arrogant. They have some hugely fantastic people and now their head is well above the sand, they are starting to realise the can make a fantastic product that people want to buy! Believe me, I have had my share of rants at the upper echelon.

I have read the review that has been posted and it's fairly typical. I agree that the V1 is more expensive than some of the TVs on the market. Big deal. It's B&O, it won't ever be cheap, but at least you can view a decent movie and see all the detail as the director intended and hear the sounds that add to the experience. The $400 jobbie, like a friend of mine requires constant setting adjustment and I find myself struggling to hear some dialogue. But like anything, if you have a passion for good movies, fine wine, fashion, cars etc. you pay for what you get - that's life.

So, I think good on you. It gives you enjoyment and I think it's a great buy. The people who look for bargain basement sets will always be a little awed by the picture and sound of B&O in my experience.

 

 

HI Dude1 - gotta love that name.... 😕

Many thanks for your most kind comments.

If you're not happy with a V1 I'll be mighty surprised.

The novelty/newness of experience of mine is slowly starting to wear off a little, but I'm still finding myself sneaking admiring glances at it when It's switched off, and for general TV viewing, and Bluray movies in particular, I am still in awe of the picture quality which is simply stunning regardless of technology platform re plasma v's LCD etc.

I also think it's a stunning buy for the price, and as you say, from A$20k to A$4.5k is much more mangeable and outstanding VFM IMHO.

I figure that I will have this TV for 7-8 years or beyond - the only thing likely to replace it will be an B&O OLED set when and as they make the market, and the technology matures to LCD prices.

Amortising the cost over that period of time, actually makes it very cheap entertainment.  I am also a great believer in the old adage of buy right, buy once; buy cheap, buy twice, and always look for quality re design, engineering and an total ownership experience, before the upfront cost.

I'm not a wealthy person, so have to think carefully about what I spend money on, but never the less drive a Benz and own Miele appliances etc, because the quality and pleasure of long term ownership far outweighs the initial upfront cost, and these are items one is likely to keep for a long time - 14 years thus far for the Miele washer/dryer & VAC, and all running faultlessly and looking like new, meanwhile giving me the best washing and cleaning results I've ever experienced.  

That to me, is an outstanding value for money buy as an overall total ownership package, and the same I believe with B&O, which is why I'm very happy to buy into B&O and the V1 as my first serious piece.

Next up, is speakers.....

Kind regards

John... 😐