Clakke wrote:

 Beo 4 on the other hand is just good looking, as a remote it is not in parity with B&Os fine equipment. The user interface is simply not logical.

B R

Clakke

....here comes trouble! 😁

bayerische wrote:

Clakke wrote:

 Beo 4 on the other hand is just good looking, as a remote it is not in parity with B&Os fine equipment. The user interface is simply not logical.

B R

Clakke

....here comes trouble! 😁

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TripEnglish wrote:

While I agree with Simon & Affineur that Bang & Olufsen is simply a better product for Our Audience, I give tremendous credit to Loewe for making a product with character. I continue to argue that raw numbers are objectively irrelevant and that the true audience for performance specs is smaller even than B&O's! What matters to most consumers from every rung of the ladder are the features, usability, and beauty, and few brands have gone to any lengths whatsoever to develop good "ecosystems" for products that will eventually live connected and to develop the product's physical beauty the way, for example, that car manufacturers have. If it wasn't for Loewe and Bang & Olufsen, every TV on the market would look like a Chrysler Reliant K!

So I think that pitting Bang & Olufsen against Loewe and vice versa misses the real point, that they are automatic allies against the unimaginative Sonys & Samsungs of the world that show no evidence of passion or, in some cases, even competence. Both companies fortunes will ebb and flow, but I'm happy to have Loewe out there in the world making the case for well considered electronic purchases instead of "hamster wheel consumerism." I would welcome them back to the US market any day! 

I too would welcome Loewe back to the US, particularly if they brought in their entire line. The product offering would help serve as a "stepping stone" for future B&O clients and help demonstrate the advantages of good design. I shant hold my breath however, as the US consumer priority list distribution is highly skewed away from sophisticated design. Perhaps things will change as the baby boomers end their domination of the market. Demographic studies have recently shown that GEN X-Y are much more aware of and respectful of design as well as willing to pay for it. Hopefully the current economic situation does not put a damper on such attributes.

I would rather put it this way.

I'm a B&O collector since many years and updating every singe day! I enjoy all my products as much as I can in a fully linked house and office (but still enjoy the stand alones as well).

I can only tell that Loewe is progressing fast and I'm sure that thier quality will be better over the years heading directly to B&O customers (with a high competition rate).

Being asked if I would switch? The answer is definetely NO. I'll put in another phrase. You are with your wife for many years. She is getting old but still she is the one you got in love and enjoyed many years of hapiness. Would you go for a younger one? (That obvisouly is looking after your money!). I woudn't although the younger one could give you some short of enjoy but not eternal love!

I have had B&O for many years. My first tv was a MX4000, witch was replaced by a Avant 28". 2 great tv`s🤒 Then i bought a BV7-32", lot of problems with the dvdplayer, switch its over to a BV4-50" with BS3. I have now sold my BV4 and the plan was to buy a BV7-40" with BluRay player in april. But i`m in doubt 😕

The BV7-40" mkIV will cost over the dubbel of a Loewe Art, witch also have a inbuilt HD recorder (but not a BD player). I`m thinking of buying a Loewe Art on a floor stand a-la BV7. Nice design, great picture (better than BV7), newer technoligy but not as good a remote as Beo4. I dont youse beolink and my BL5 are not connected to my television, so i cant see myself pay 12700 euros for a BV7, when i can get a bigger (42") Loewe, whit newer technology and better picture for 5200 euros.

That acctorly make me a bit sad, because i was willing to pay the money for the BV7, if it was upto date and had a great picture. But when B&O are sleeping and wont keep up with the technoligy, i dont see my self buying there tv`s.

This is the loewe i`m talking about.

PierreR wrote:

I have had B&O for many years. My first tv was a MX4000, witch was replaced by a Avant 28". 2 great tv`s🤒 Then i bought a BV7-32", lot of problems with the dvdplayer, switch its over to a BV4-50" with BS3. I have now sold my BV4 and the plan was to buy a BV7-40" with BluRay player in april. But i`m in doubt 😕

The BV7-40" mkIV will cost over the dubbel of a Loewe Art, witch also have a inbuilt HD recorder (but not a BD player). I`m thinking of buying a Loewe Art on a floor stand a-la BV7. Nice design, great picture (better than BV7), newer technoligy but not as good a remote as Beo4. I dont youse beolink and my BL5 are not connected to my television, so i cant see myself pay 12700 euros for a BV7, when i can get a bigger (42") Loewe, whit newer technology and better picture for 5200 euros.

That acctorly make me a bit sad, because i was willing to pay the money for the BV7, if it was upto date and had a great picture. But when B&O are sleeping and wont keep up with the technoligy, i dont see my self buying there tv`s.

 

This is the loewe i`m talking about.

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Take the BV7-32", i belive that i is the only flat screen tv on the marked without any HDMI indputs, and its 4-5 years old. B&O have had plenty of time to update the lcd panel, but are sleeping 😡 

You make some valid points Pierre and in your case and many others it seems that Loewe is taking away some of the customers from B&O, which is fair enough. Clearly B&O doesn't live up to your expectations on the TV front so you are looking elsewhere for something that does. B&O does meet my requirements because I buy into the design over functionaility. Of course it would be good if the picture quality was as good as the Loewe sets but the picture I get is fine for me anyway so I have no complaints. I am sure you will enjoy your purchase and thats the main thing. I am not out to convince people to buy B&O, I only need to convince myself, that's all that matters.

What I have always liked and bought into with B&O is that they break away from whatever everybody else does. There isn't a TV out there that resembles a BV7, at least not with the built in DVD player designed the way it is and the hanging speaker underneath (the set up I chose) so for someone like me, who wants to make a design statement and create a unique look and experience in my home, you begin to understand why Loewe could never work. The TVs do not make any kind of statement. You still need to use seperates and the stands they make for them look the same as stands in typical audio/visual shops. If there was anyone doing what B&O does then I would consider it, of course, but there isn't, which is why I always harp on that B&O are in a league of their own because they really are as I see it. I acknowledge B&O's failings such as the BeoSound 6 and mobile phones (to an extent) for example, but I cannot class any of their TV range as failures but then remember, I always go for design first, whereas it is becoming very clear now that many forum users here go for picture quality first. That is the main difference between us.

For me, its B&O all the way with no in betweens.  Anyway, its been really good to view and contribute to this thread.  

I think one of the main issues brought out in this thread is the 'value for money' concept. It seems there are people here who stand by B&O no matter what, and that there are others who have B&O as their first preference. It is this second lot that B&O risk losing as customers.

I'm one of the Avant owners who think it's the Ducks Nuts. I frequently visit my B&O store wanting to upgrade my tv, but when I get there I just can't make myself do it. Why not? you ask... Simple. I just cannot justify spending thousands of dollars for something that isn't exponentially better than my Avant. In saying that, I cannot justify spending a couple of grand to by the latest plasma/lcd either because of their lack of design. I'd rather be able to have my cake and eat it too. Good design and a decent level of up to date technology will get my $$, I hope B&O are the first to do it.

2c

From my point of view the success of Loewe in the TV space is  the best what could happen to B&O:

It is the real life wake up call!!!

Not sure, but I think that the first time that a real competior shows up and takes away customers with the potential to grow fast. Now inovation, product strategy and pricing must be set the in the right way with the push from a competior and economic crisis to let B&O survive.

Karsten

surely the picture quality comes first bang and olufsen have always had a great picture

if your paying 9k you surely expect the best

if its furniture design that comes first you can lose respect for a serious av manufacturer (dvd 2 springs to mind)

its picture sound materials all in one package

anyone can buy a rose cainet and house a samsung tv

also bno have always been a serious hifi maker the biggest specialist in the world and 3rd largest speaker manufacturer at present so they must do something right

anyway why cant we talk about other brands like leowe if there disirable so be it, you might buy a leowe tv but still buy a bno  hifi

I considered Loewe TVs before buying my BC6. I thought they were pretty good - certainly much better than the mainstream in terms of finish and styling but still not as good as B&O IMO. Technical options are better but either manufacturer's product is likely to be out of date in a couple of years.

In the end I went B&O because I thought it worth paying a bit more for the extra quality and did not think the specification gain was that significant for my needs. I thought there was better service/sales support for B&O at present too.

I saw an item a little while back where the CEO of Loewe was interviewed. He said that he saw the company exploiting the big gap in the market between mainstream black boxes and high style design. He said B&O had proved there was a place for this in the market and that they plan to grow by targeting the same design-aware consumers.

It was very clear that Loewe sees B&O as the competition, not Panasonic/Sony. But surely competition in attractive TV manufacture is good for everyone - consumer, B&O and Loewe.