CB wrote:

That "audio hub/Holy Grail" was once called BM5/BS5 in B&O jargon...

Puncher wrote:

I suspect that's only said by people trying to sell you something!

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beojeff wrote:

Still, this shows how the very expensive B&O products can suddenly become useless if a streaming service is no longer supported. This could just as easily happen with the Moment. Imagine if a few years after the Moment becomes discontinued that Deezer goes out of business and another streaming service becomes all the rage. We could be left with a beautiful but useless block of aluminum.

DMacri wrote:

beojeff wrote:

 

Still, this shows how the very expensive B&O products can suddenly become useless if a streaming service is no longer supported. This could just as easily happen with the Moment. Imagine if a few years after the Moment becomes discontinued that Deezer goes out of business and another streaming service becomes all the rage. We could be left with a beautiful but useless block of aluminum.

 

 

... and that's my point. If you are going to invest heavily in expensive new equipment, why have it locked to some potentially temporary streaming service where you are stuck when the support ends?

 

 

I tried Google Music, but I couldn't get it to just run continually without some form of intervention. iTunes still wins that battle for me.

 

 

One of my biggest complaints is that with iTunes, I'm stuck with my collection and don't get exposed to new music. Maybe internet radio is my next option? It would be nice if I could use both my music and some similar new music and artists mixed in from time to time on a constant stream.

One thing I've noticed lately with Spotify is that if I start playing a particular album, after the end it continues with a selection of songs it self curates as being similar, kind of their MOTS/Genius or such. They seem to do a pretty good job and their "radio stations" are pretty good. I have one jazz one that, after doing the thumbs up and down on various songs, has become quite well tailored for my tastes. So while there are definitely some good things to be had with streaming services, I also agree buying into any product wed to a particular service has definite risks. In general I like the Spotify interface with only minor complaints.

To be honest, I could significantly cull my iTunes collection as I have a lot of music I seldom listen to that could be sourced from Spotify, same for the collection of CDs my iTunes came from. But I tend to hang onto the stuff, plus, as good as Spotify is, it is very thin in older albums from some artists I like, so iTunes or CDs are needed for them. Last time I checked, for example, Spotify didn't have the debut Ricki Lee Jones album "Ricki Lee Jones," only a few cuts off it.But the old stuff they often have of obscure things surprises me too. The farther back in time you go it tends to get uneven.

beojeff wrote:

B&O has chosen not to replace Spotify with Deezer on the BeoSound 5. It's true that the BeoSound 5 has been discontinued. Still, this shows how the very expensive B&O products can suddenly become useless if a streaming service is no longer supported. This could just as easily happen with the Moment. Imagine if a few years after the Moment becomes discontinued that Deezer goes out of business and another streaming service becomes all the rage. We could be left with a beautiful but useless block of aluminum.

I am not a expert in this, but I see in the last months more and more buyers complaining about the lack in software upgrades (SamSung, LG) because they discontinued certain products and because of that they not making upgrades anymore and causing trouble with (by example) streaming services (like Spotify, Deezer, etc.) I have the idea that you can force them to deliver upgrades for delivered equipment, most of the time you pay a lot for equipment and it cannot be that a company simple can say.... goodbye we not supporting this anymore. Maybe there is something in:  Sale of Goods Act ?? that is usable. 

It would be crazy when you buy now a BS Moment and in 2 years B&O stop producing the Moment Deezer or Spotify change something and and the product where you pay a lot of money for is almost useless...... cannot be true!

jvdl wrote:

I am not a expert in this, but I see in the last months more and more buyers complaining about the lack in software upgrades (SamSung, LG) because they discontinued certain products and because of that they not making upgrades anymore and causing trouble with (by example) streaming services (like Spotify, Deezer, etc.) I have the idea that you can force them to deliver upgrades for delivered equipment, most of the time you pay a lot for equipment and it cannot be that a company simple can say.... goodbye we not supporting this anymore. Maybe there is something in: Sale of Goods Act ?? that is usable.

It would be crazy when you buy now a BS Moment and in 2 years B&O stop producing the Moment Deezer or Spotify change something and and the product where you pay a lot of money for is almost useless...... cannot be true!

I use Apple TV as my main source alongside a DVD1 for watching TV, I also use my internet radio instead of terrestrial as the choice if far greater and I can hear what I want without adverts or disc jockeys talking about themselves or trying to trip someone up!.

For music though I do stream from an iPad with a digital connection (via teh camera kit) to a Dac then linn amp and then M100's - Sound quality is excellent and sounds better than streaming it via airplay for some reason.  

I recently got into having multiroom via wireless using Yamaha's Musiccast boxes - BUT it is so cumbersome to have to use your phone to choose which room to join etc. etc. And the sound quality is not as good as I had hoped. The old days of masterlink where you just pressed a button in a room you wanted to hear music were much easier inmho - hate having to use my phone to change the volume and switch sources. Beo4 is much easier.

Some music I stream but the rest of the time it is vinyl and reel to reel so a combination of both - gave all my CD;s away years ago and bypassed cassettes.

I guess I'm the backwards bumpkin in this thread. My wife and I don't subscribe to any streaming services. Zip, Zilch, Zero. We've ripped our CDs and placed them in an iTunes library. Yes, iTunes stinks and is bloated, but for our purposes, it does a fine job maintaining our library in a way that is accessible in our Apple ecosystem. That being said, our musical discovery process is pretty fluid, we listen to radio stations and trawl music sites in our free time, if we hear something we like, we make a note of it, and potentially buy the track or album on iTunes. Maybe we're old fashioned about such things, but we don't like "renting" things we'd prefer to own. That being said, we do think that there should be a standard for DLNA across the industry that can make it less "janky" and allow it to work well for the most part, across devices, etc.

All of the above being said, my wife and I likely actively listen to maybe less than 30% of the music we actually have in our library.

We're digital hoarders.

I guess that's why I've been so impatient for a DLNA search feature for the B&O X App. I have to say, though, that the current version of the X App is very smooth and fast when it comes to scrolling - to me, much better than BeoMusic - so that's something positive. I would still love to quickly get to a piece of music I want to listen to rather than scrolling through long lists of tracks or artists.

Puncher wrote:

I guess I was trying to say, if you already have your music collection digitised then upload it to google and stream, rather than host locally to avoid the complexity whilst maximising your music's availability.

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DMacri wrote:

One of my biggest complaints is that with iTunes, I'm stuck with my collection and don't get exposed to new music.