Me too!

BTW I can also understand that people who doesn't own B&O,can't realize this point of view.Own a B&O is like a jump of faith 😕

Puncher wrote:

TripEnglish wrote:

Ilikehifi wrote:

Is 'E 'good or bad ??

 

I dealt with someone on here recently.. wonder if they would agree hmm..

Like I said, it doesn't sound like you're very old so I think folks here have given you a little leeway, but your overall tone limits the "value" of your potential contributions. And while the membership may be expensive for you, it's a sign of good faith that your intention is to contribute and not just to stir the pot and move on. Maybe a sliver membership is within your budget.

 

I'm sorry but ........... No!

The site has never harangued anyone for paid membership, nor is paid membership a pre-requisite before expressing an opinion.

As far as I can see the member has done nothing other than suggest a rational decision making process, if you disagree then fine - buy what you like, as you like it, it does not make him "wrong".

As regards "tone" - I would suggest that expressed above is far more damaging than anything expressed by "Ilikehifi".

Puncher, you're right...

Sorry 'Ilikehifi', I was just having a jeer at you at your expense because you described my viewpoints as superstitious ramblings and flowery language. All a bit of fun on my behalf....

No harm done then??

Going back to the original posting, I hope you enjoy sampling the TV and that you buy it because you love it or not buy because you don't love it. Better than not buying it because it doesn't have a particular thing... If you buy it because you love it, you'll love everytime you turn it on.

I asked a friend why she always buys a convertible and never just a normal car... her response: "because everytime I get in the car, whether it be a long drive or just a quick trip to the shops.. It always feels special". Buy the TV that always makes you feel special.

My advice would be to listen and observe, and to not get too hung-up on technical specifications. When I bought my first B&O system in the early 70's I got a lot of stick from colleagues who claimed that I would have been better to buy one of the then latest Japanese systems, some of which claimed lower distortion etc in their specifications. Taking the system performance as a whole (speakers, amp, tuner etc) I was more than happy with the B&O system. 35+ years later it is still giving me great listening pleasure, and its looks are still as good as anything that has ever been produced by any company. It has paid for itself over and over.

Graham

Stan wrote:

I also believe the pace of change in TV technology will slow down and/or TV manufacturors will go out of business. 

Stan that's a very good point. I also agree that when it comes to a point where TVs are not progressing as fast as it has been in the last few years, then it might be the ideal time to pick up a B&O TV. At the moment, each year there are newer generation panels that are bigger, brighter, blacker, and faster. Once that cycle slows down, then your TV investment will last for a longer period of time. That might be the case in a few years time when thin LED technology matures and reaches an ideal size.

Ilikehifi wrote:

So you are unable to ascertain how much pleasure you get from stuff?

Ilikehifi, what I mean is the amount of pleasure differs between people for a particular product. Say some ladies are very happy to spend $10k on a hand-made luxury handbag when us guys think they're just a few pieces of leather stitched together. For them, the enjoyment and the pride they get out of carrying such a bag onto the streets is more than worth that money. Same for guys that buy a Porsche. One can ascertain how much pleasure you get but it's hard to put a dollar amount to it (well unless you are an Economist and run utility models 😎). Sometimes the novelty factor doesn't wear off as can be seen with some of the fellow Beoworlders with their vintage B&O gear :) My point to the OP was that it's a hard question to ask other people if a certain purchase is worth it, especially for a luxury item.

Ilikehifi wrote:

By the way.. by which criteria do you regard the quality of a BV10 2x the of the latest greatest Pioneer? It's certainly not 2x the picture quality.

Obviously that was just an example 😁 Some of us might even think it's 10x the quality. Quality is very subjective, and also picture quality is not the only quality, there's also build quality, interactive quality (user friendliness) etc etc. You only need to look at the LCD vs Plasma debate to see the wide range of differing opinions on picture quality. But one thing we'll all agree is that B&O have unbeatable build quality. Their products are so rock solid it looks like you need a tank to take it down 😕

I have a BV7-32 with Lab 3 front, Lab 4 rear and a Lab 2 sub...and even my wife loves it! Worth the money...yes, i think so...great picture, fabulous sound and lots of style too.

However...about 4 years ago i bought a pair of Beocom 6000 phones...and imho that was a waste of money...£550 iirc for the pair and i didn't realise that they didn't have a 'handsfree' function...and because they don't have an answermachine built into the main base we have to use 1571 to retrieve our phone messages which is a PITA. I did look into getting the B & O wall mounted answermachine which they used to make...but i was told not to bother by my local B & O dealer as it was apparently a bad seller due to being too complicated to use (i never tried it and so i don't know if it is that complicated?).

roconn wrote:

I am seriously considering my first B&O purchase... a Beovision 10 television!

It has the looks I want and the picture quality/sound 'seem' excellent, but since I am not a multi-millionairre and still in the realms of 'normal' earning capacity, the £7k price tag does seem very steep - especially compared to my previous television purchases (my last being a £2k Sony around 3/4 years ago).

I assume everyone on this site is going to be somewhat biased, but I just need convincing that its worth spending £7k on a 40" TV - and I don't need the usual sales crap that I got in the B&O shop I visited at the weekend...

- Is B&O the best sound/picture quality you can buy? I read (on this site I think) that the screen for the Beovision 10 is made by Samsung, I wouldn't usually buy Samsung over brands like Sony or Pioneer, why would I buy a Samsung screen with a B&O tag on the top??

- Is the sound quality that great... to be honest, I am not a huge sound/vision man (I don't own a blueray player at the moment or subscride to HD TV, although I will), but am I buying an inferior product with an expensive brand name?

- Is B&O designed for people with more money than sense or is it truely a superior brand with a great design?

All I can say, be careful, once you spend your money on B&O, you want more. It's addictive, I can tell.

Good luck.

Overpriced.No doubt about it.In the middle of a bad financial downturn the prices went up 12%👍

It is in the main a decent GOOD LOOKING product that suffers from a host of issues due to software bugs.

The Masterlink facilty is a plus if you have other B+O kit but then, we have powefull networking now with other manufacturers offering bigger bang for the buck and more compatibilty with other manufacturers equipment.

A lot of the cost has to be due to the fact they use a lot of metal and glass where other makers use plastic.Expensive metal and glass then!

Not until the arrival of the BV7-40 MK111 could they say their TV`s were supperior to their closer rivals."You know who the main one is"🙂

Recent clangers have to be the DVD2.HDR2. No digital tuner.DVD with the most horrible user interface ever.Good grief.Who thought than one up? PHILIPS INTERFACE GONE BAD! Beo5 multiple problems and several software design issues.Beosound 5. A 4k Beta product😮 with huge problems.It looks like it is settling now as the software dept` gets it near what it should have been at release.

All of these products can never justify the price when some of the most basic like digital tuners and ripping CD`s on the main product and not your PC are missing.

BV8-40  Master link won`t work with older B+O kit.Expensive TV with another basic limitaion.It only has 2 HDMI inputs.For 4k or more i would be expecting 1 HDMI input per 1k.Not to much to ask when a <1k Panasonic has 3😉

Blue Ray player on the BV7 has loads of problems and it has taken 3 software updates to get a stage where there are still problems, just less of them!

Profile 2 BD disks. If you get the 1,5k BD upgrade to your BV7 MK111.It won`t work properly and causes problems  because it can`t get internet access.There is no network connection on this upgrade kit!

I could easily go on but do you think all of the above is what you expect from your very expensive B+O?

The new BV7-55 at 16 k Wow.

Historically nice to look at product with some inovative features from time to time.

The prices can never be justified though.

If you have money to burn and want to impress your rich friends, then why not.

Just as an update to anyone who may be interested... I bought the Beo10 😕

Both myself and wife are very happy with the looks, but one thing I probably would have taken into consideration more when we bought it... THE GODDAM REMOTE CONTROL!!!

We opted for the standard remote because the upgraded version needed complete programming! It works for the most part, but it is truely a pain in the *** when you want to fast forward and it never seems to sense when you want to select something! the double/single clicking confusion annoys me constantly!

B&O really need to bring out a control which is in-between... something simple and user programable but has the fwd/rwd/play/pause commands, as well as standard enter commands... what is with all the buttons at the top which I don't need but HAVE to be there as well, why are they restrictied - they would solve half my issues!

I have noticed clouding on the screen... it only occurs at night when the screen is completely black and it CAN be quite annoying! I am currently contemplating whether I do anything about it... Have lived with it for a while, but I don't watch a huge amount of movies since I bought the TV.

The other 'issue' is playing my Sonos music through it... quality fine... BUT it is out of sync with the player in the kitchen!! I think this is because the B&O setup processes the music whereas the kitchen is straight from ZP120 to speaker! in an open plan environment this is a pain, but I can live with it!

chaser wrote:

BV8-40  Master link won`t work with older B+O kit.Expensive TV with another basic limitaion

I'm thinking of a BV8-40. Didn´t know about issues with older kit. If so I can´t buy it. What issues

A very good question and until recently I would have said yes. However, as someone with many Marketing Manager years behind me I will safely say that here in the UK they are a good 25% OVERPRICED. I was in Selfridges, London the other week and LOEWE had a super range at a much cheaper price. I love the BeoVision 10 however, I feel it should have a maximum price of £4000-4500 tops.

I wouldn't worry about it having a SAMSUNG screen - they are superb! Still can't work out B&Os pricing these days - we are in a terrible recession and their prices are escalating. Was NOT IMPRESSED with BV10 using standard definition SKY NEWS - looked grainy. I think you will need a Pioneer or Sony blu-ray player (from £120) and sKY+ HD to get a decent picture from it.

To sum up, a nice investment to enjoy for a good few years but at £4500 yes, not £6000  they must be nuts thinking that we could justify that amount of money nowadays - technology is getting cheaper and cheaper...