Ilikehifi wrote:

jldmelb wrote:

If everyone used their brian and not their heart, there would be no B&O, Gucci, Rolls Royce, Rolex, etc. etc.

My point was that if he follows his head he will buy the cheapest TV with the features he wants because this will offer the best outcome of features per cost. B&O will never satisfy this viewpoint.

By following your heart, you will buy the TV you want . A need has been identified, which is buying a new TV. This can be satisfied by any TV on the market, so to satisfy that need on a basic level the cheapest TV will do the job. When variables are added, this becomes a want. Needs a TV, but wants aesthetics, design, certain functions. A purchase decision can be poured over too much by following your head and not your heart.

If you want to use your head, go and buy a Conia/Sonic because they are the cheapest. If you want to use your heart, buy the B&O.. The worst that can happen is buyer remorse, it's not the end of the world

 

Sorry mate, I'm not into superstitious twaddle. I think people should make sensible, rational decisions, rather than blowing dollops of cash on a whim.

Superstitious twaddle??? I don't have a fear of black cats or breaking a mirror..... I don't know how superstition has come in to this??? When I buy something, I don't go and get a Tarot Card out or ask a witch doctor. Maybe check the star signs to see if I should buy a new toaster today? 😎

jldmelb wrote:

 

I don't go and get a Tarot Card out or ask a witch doctor. Maybe check the star signs to see if I should buy a new toaster today? 😎

I do! 😂

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Well for luxury goods it never is rational. Although you pay 5x more for perhaps just 2x the quality, the utility (personal satisfaction/happiness) that it brings sometimes cannot be measured.

You'll never get a suitable opinion for that because everybody's utility is different. Some people prefer not to spend on luxury, some people rather spend on bigger screens than better screens, others prefer to spend on cars and watches rather than TVs, and others spend on travel.

My personal opinion is that I buy only the B&O that can stand the test of time. Since they're so expensive, I would rather they still be good in 10-15 years time. Hence I don't mind buying their speakers as they do have a very lengthy life time and loudspeaker technology no longer have frequent revolutionary changes. Their TVs on the other hand, however good the picture, I'm not so interested but not because they're not good, in fact I think have the best design you could get. But TV technology changes so quickly that god knows in the next few months, there might be another new form of screen coming up. Think about plasmas, LCDs, LEDs, then OLEDs in the space of the last 5-10 years.

Beomud,

I completely agree.

I also believe the pace of change in TV technology will slow down and/or TV manufacturors will go out of business.  IMHO, the last 5-10 years was an abberation as we've just gone through a "format change" from CRT to flat screen.  People bought flat screens to replace perfectly good (often better) CRTs (not to mention how the housing bubble fed into this as every new house and newly remodeled house also needed a flat screen).  This high demand fueled the investment required for the rapid advance in TV technology, but this recent level of demand is most likely gone for a good many years.  If I'm worried about my job, my 3 year old flat screen is just fine, and that major remodel for the media room has been put on hold.  If people aren't buying new TVs like crazy, where is the money going to come from to support the massive investments required to bring this new technology to fruition (OLED comes to mind)?  So far, we're living off the residuals from the boom, but when each new evolution doesn't fly off the shelves like the old days, then what?

I worked for a software company during the release of Win3.1 and Win95.  Win3.1 were gravy years as everybody replaced their perfectly good DOS software with the "new and improved" windows version.  Computer sales were way up because Win3.1 made them that much more accessible to the masses.  My company assumed the same thing was going to happen with Win95 and built their business around this assumption (everybody will replace their Win3.1 software with Win95).  Guess what?  It didn't happen.  Win95 was not the "format change", but rather an evolution of perceived diminishing returns (truth be told, much of the Win3.1 software was a step back from DOS from a functionality perspective, but it was "new and different" and that's all that mattered - sounds familiar, no?).  This company, and probably many others, hit very hard times because it didn't recognize the difference between a format change and an evolution. 

Will/Have the TV companies also fall into this trap?  I guess we'll see which ones go out of business...

Stan

jldmelb wrote:

Ilikehifi wrote:

jldmelb wrote:

If everyone used their brian and not their heart, there would be no B&O, Gucci, Rolls Royce, Rolex, etc. etc.

My point was that if he follows his head he will buy the cheapest TV with the features he wants because this will offer the best outcome of features per cost. B&O will never satisfy this viewpoint.

By following your heart, you will buy the TV you want . A need has been identified, which is buying a new TV. This can be satisfied by any TV on the market, so to satisfy that need on a basic level the cheapest TV will do the job. When variables are added, this becomes a want. Needs a TV, but wants aesthetics, design, certain functions. A purchase decision can be poured over too much by following your head and not your heart.

If you want to use your head, go and buy a Conia/Sonic because they are the cheapest. If you want to use your heart, buy the B&O.. The worst that can happen is buyer remorse, it's not the end of the world

 

Sorry mate, I'm not into superstitious twaddle. I think people should make sensible, rational decisions, rather than blowing dollops of cash on a whim.

 

 

Superstitious twaddle??? I don't have a fear of black cats or breaking a mirror..... I don't know how superstition has come in to this??? When I buy something, I don't go and get a Tarot Card out or ask a witch doctor. Maybe check the star signs to see if I should buy a new toaster today? 😎

Well I don't want to get overly philosophical, but you know when you suggest people follow their hearts not their brains, you do realize that this is not possible as the heart has no cognitive functioning capability?? 👍

What you are basically saying is (without the flowery language.. ahem)... don't-be-mindful about the decision making process. That is an absurd and flawed notion. Time and time again it is shown that buying luxuries on impulse is the worst thing you can do - wreckless, prone to error. As an erstwhile hifi dealer, it never ceased to amaze me how folk repeat the same basic mistakes day in day out resulting in great disappointments, remorse, and in the long term.. the serious mental condition.. "upgraditis" (which can wreck marriages!!) Some of these people are stubborn and refuse to change, whilst others learn the skill of making measured decisions, and it is a skill, but not a difficult one to master.

For illustration, consider the person who buys a pair of high end speakers after a store demo. The customer is astounded by the superb detail, it's as if the sounds are etched in space! The excitment builds as the moment arrives, finally he has the beauties in his own home and begins to dig in. It's going OK, but.. there is something amiss. After a few days the truth emerges - the detail is superficial, caused by an EQ lift in the upper frequency range which cannot be altered. In any long session they turn out to be fatiguing speakers to this listener. (Those involved in the hifi trade will know this story well.) The "dull" comparison speakers which were quickly rejected did not leap out at the listener, did not involve them.. but were indeed more neutral and accurate, smoother, refined, and could create transcendental experiences - qualities only appreciable with significant experience and exposure (or guidance on what to listen for from a trained listener.. check out those reverb trails!!) So, anyway, buyer thinks to post online about his experience and compare with others, and discovers others in the same boat.. having already posted to that effect, and that's a sinking feeling - he realises he could have avoided a costly mistake if he'd checked first. Now he's lumbered with these things..

Making measured decisions simply involves combining value judgements with :

Research
Feedback
Exposure

..and doing anything but buying on impulse!

Seriously.. it works. 😐

As I say, some people stubbornly insist on avoiding any semblence of rationality when buying luxury items, but the two are most definitely not mutually exclusive. Uh.. and I'm saying all this on a B&O forum am I mad?? 😕

Our original poster here seems to be sensible.. I'm actually excited on his behalf and looking forward to the next installment.

beomud wrote:

Well for luxury goods it never is rational. Although you pay 5x more for perhaps just 2x the quality, the utility (personal satisfaction/happiness) that it brings sometimes cannot be measured.

So you are unable to ascertain how much pleasure you get from stuff?

That's weird!

I think you can usually measure that - mainly by asking yourself honestly after the novelty factor has worn off. This seems to be confirmed by peoples ability to articulate their conclusions about stuff they own.

By the way.. by which criteria do you regard the quality of a BV10 2x the of the latest greatest Pioneer? It's certainly not 2x the picture quality. 😁

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Before attacking people's opinions, how about putting your money where your mouth is!! The site needs the support

jldmelb wrote:

Before attacking people's opinions, how about putting your money where your mouth is!! The site needs the support

Are you talking to me??

Yeah, it's only 30 pounds for 12 months!! 🤒