Why do you think that B&O would rely on on only Apple in the future.

The BS/BM5 is DLNA, the PM is partly DLNA, the new tv's are DLNA., and B&O recommend using the Twonky Server, which is DLNA.

There is plenty of DLNA in the B&O product portfolio - I don't see why this should change...

...just because they are supporting AirPlay (for audio) as well!

Greetings Millemissen

Millemissen wrote:

Why do you think that B&O would rely on on only Apple in the future.

The BS/BM5 is DLNA, the PM is partly DLNA, the new tv's are DLNA., and B&O recommend using the Twonky Server, which is DLNA.

There is plenty of DLNA in the B&O product portfolio - I don't see why this should change...

...just because they are supporting AirPlay (for audio) as well!

Greetings Millemissen

I base my opinion on what they have tried/promoted with their Beoplay product - it has been Apple centric. Hopefully the A3/A8 have been a valuable lesson, whereby the dictating company can make your product obsolete overnight, either totally or requiring an adapter.

B&O Play is just a part of the company, as you already know.

Greetings Millemissen

Puncher, I don't see any reason how the A8 could be an obsolete product in the next forthcoming years. The (free) adapter is not an add-on but a replacement for the 30-pin. The lightning connector is probably going to stay for the next 10 years and so will Airplay. Somehow I have the feeling you want a B&O product supporting Apple technology to fail. 

DoubleU wrote:

Puncher, I don't see any reason how the A8 could be an obsolete product in the next forthcoming years. The (free) adapter is not an add-on but a replacement for the 30-pin. The lightning connector is probably going to stay for the next 10 years and so will Airplay. Somehow I have the feeling you want a B&O product supporting Apple technology to fail. 

My mistake, I meant the BS8.

Nope, I definitely don't want B&O to fail - I especially don't want them to fail because they bet the shop on supporting another company! By all means support Apple's standards but do something extraordinary based upon Netlink or DLNA.

Puncher wrote:

I'm sure Tournedos is not advocating DNLA to the exclusion of Airplay, he is merely saying that the former is likely to be more productive for a third party company as an open standard rather than the latter as closed - and I agree.

That's right, but it wasn't my point this time. All I did was list reasons why the Playmaker being "opened up" is extremely unlikely to ever happen, in response to another poster wishing for that.

I don't use either. I've had a DLNA player on my phone for three years though, but nothing to play it to 😎

"I don't use either. I've had a DLNA player on my phone for three years though, but nothing to play it to"

Guys, Airplay and DLNA are just two standards. They do a very similar job in slightly different ways. One's Apple native, the other's Android native.

Right now, Android outsells Apple at least two to one. There's no question, however, that Apple is going to stick around, because not much of that is people defecting from Apple - it's mostly people acquiring first smart phones.

But we're definitely entering a "Mac vs. PC" stage in smartphone markets - it's going to be both standards, side by side, for a long time.

B&O doesn't have a horse in the smartphone race, they owe allegiance to neither technology at a core level. They have nothing to lose for doing both.

As for opening up the Playmaker - those are good arguments, but I still point out: it's probably running Linux already. It's not clear what operating system it runs, it could be something like QNX, but it's probably Linux. If that's the case, in all probability, the could release the source code to their specific version without doing anything but good. Your arguments are valid, but not the whole story!

And B&O definitely, definitely need to cultivate the hacker market. There are a lot of 'em, they're not poor, they love music (see Reddit every time there's a music-to-code-by thread) and the BeoLab 3 in particular suits the aesthetics of that market.

$0.02 as you know, but there it is.

I took a quick look to see if I could figure out what OS the Playmaker is running

HTTP/1.0 200 OK

Date: Sat Jan  1 00:00:00 2000

Server: GoAhead-Webs

Pragma: no-cache

Cache-Control: no-cache

Content-type: text/html

So the web server is 

"One's Apple native, the other's Android native."

DLNA is based on the UPnP standart and has existed long before Android came onto the scene.

This is - if we need to talk about it this way - rather a Mac vs PC war.

Linux and Android (as one of its commercial versions)  is the dark horse in that game.

For Linux user it is easier to use the DLNA standart - it is more open and can be licenced (for money or nothing 😳). This is not possible with AirPlay - unless you buy an implemented/embedded chip.

But AirPlay can be and has been reengineered and is thus used in a Linux environment as well (Raspberry Pi/BoxeeBox...)

But this has really nothing to do with the Playmaker and B&O.

The PM supports both DLNA and AirPlay - choose whatever you like, or use both!

No matter if you run a Windows, Apple or Linux OS...or both, or all three!

Greetings MM