How to drive your H95?

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Last week I got myself a treat and bought a navi blue colored H95. Very nice!

After having used the series H9's and the HX I am still impressed that this one sounds different (again) then all others before. 
But after spending some time with the H95 with Deezer (HiFi) and Spotify, the idea and curiosity arrised on how the H95 sounds when I want to listen my old digitalized music on my NAS.
I ripped more than a decade ago my complete cd collection into wma-lossless. A format that also was supported by B&O at that time. I think I converted the same collection also to Flac.

The question is: How or which proper device or way should I use to listen to my ripped cd collection without the minimum amount of loss? 

Location: Utrecht

Quite a challenge to achieve "Less is More" while having the Beovirus.

It's a tricky question.

 

The H95 internal DAC doesn't support HD audio. And the aux-in is actually a line-in port with ADC, so even if you play the lossless WMA/FLAC files with an Hi-Res Audio DAC and connect it via 3.5mm cable to the H95, the signal won't remain analogue - it will be digitalised and processed by the H95 internal's DSP/ADC. Then it will be again reconverted to analogue by the built-in non-Hi Res Audio DAC and sent to the titanium drivers in analogue.

matteventu wrote:

The H95 internal DAC doesn't support HD audio. And the aux-in is actually a line-in port with ADC, so even if you play the lossless WMA/FLAC files with an Hi-Res Audio DAC and connect it via 3.5mm cable to the H95, the signal won't remain analogue - it will be digitalised and processed by the H95 internal's DSP/ADC. Then it will be again reconverted to analogue by the built-in non-Hi Res Audio DAC and sent to the titanium drivers in Analysis.

Im somewhat confused with this statement. I may be incorrect but I was thinking the H95 does not have a DAC in the direct sense in so far it can take a digital source and convert it to analogue?? Yes the H95 will have a Bluetooth module which I will enable the reception of short range digital signals and that Bluetooth is in itself not high def and convert it post DSP/ANC to sound impulses. 

However, this should not distract from what I think  the OP is asking? Simply, the OP should reformat his WMA to FLAC. At the very best, I can’t see this exceeding 44.1\16, CD bluebook and will remain standard def at best. There mat be converters out there that can re-rip to higher than 44.1\16 but in this application (and not upsampling for filtering), no extra information will be stored.

The OP should be able to listen to his new FLAC files on the H95 with no loss or degradation because of the Bluetooth standard.

 

Beobuddy wrote:
The question is: How or which proper device or way should I use to listen to my ripped cd collection without the minimum amount of loss? 

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You drive your Bang & Olufsen Headset with a proper 
Bang & Olufsen source which is a stylish Beosound 6
or Beosound 2 through a reliable wire connection (do
the H95 have that ?)
And forget about "loss": B&O do not loose anything!

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Appart from that, I find the answers above quite freaking:

Didnt even know that listening music through an headphone would involbe
so much knowledge on digital signal/transfer/conversion/DAC/CAD, etc shenanigans.

Moderators, please feel free to delete… 

Location: Paris France

I am into Darko audio nerd 😁

It seems this should be ultimate “dragonfly cobalt”

I will get one for my 95”s, does anybody have experience with these ?

Cheers Chucky

My personal solution to the “ripped music from CD’s” problem was to buy a Sony Walkman ZX300 and pair it to my speakers and headphones with Bluetooth. The reason I went with this specific Walkman is two-fold: (a) it still uses Sony’s own OS, so no bloated Android nonsense (seriously I don’t need a web browser or app support on my Walkman), and; (b) copying music to it is as simple as plugging the SD card into my PC and copy-and-pasting my entire music directory over.

The second point was crucial because I have my own folder structure which is superior to MP3 tags in every way. Managing music and playlists on iTunes can be a colossal nightmare and that’s why I don’t use my iPhone.

I just treat the Walkman as a glorified remote control; granted I need to bring it around but it works for me since it’s quite small.

I also have some of my stuff just paired directly to my PC via Bluetooth, works well enough these days. I wouldn’t worry too much about the Bluetooth codec since the overwhelming majority of the time you’re not going to be able to tell a difference. This is just one of those times where ignorance is bliss and as long as I have access to my entire music collection I’m golden.

Mr 10Percent wrote:

matteventu wrote:

The H95 internal DAC doesn't support HD audio. And the aux-in is actually a line-in port with ADC, so even if you play the lossless WMA/FLAC files with an Hi-Res Audio DAC and connect it via 3.5mm cable to the H95, the signal won't remain analogue - it will be digitalised and processed by the H95 internal's DSP/ADC. Then it will be again reconverted to analogue by the built-in non-Hi Res Audio DAC and sent to the titanium drivers in Analysis.

Im somewhat confused with this statement. I may be incorrect but I was thinking the H95 does not have a DAC in the direct sense in so far it can take a digital source and convert it to analogue?? Yes the H95 will have a Bluetooth module which I will enable the reception of short range digital signals and that Bluetooth is in itself not high def and convert it post DSP/ANC to sound impulses.

Sorry, would you please rephrase that?

matteventu wrote:

Sorry, would you please rephrase that?

Sorry, let me try again. Not an expert but giving a view which hopefully makes sense?

1. First part of the post seems to me to indicate you have a concern for converting WMA to FLAC and whether the H95 DAC can play that. My answer would be that WMA to FLAC is likely not to go into hi-RES quality and will more than likely still be CD Bluebook - i.e. 44.1/16

2. Most DACs will operate in hi-Res. Most modern DACs have a sweet spot of around DSD256-512 bitrate. DSD512 IIRC is 384k/24 in PCM. 

3. The data transfer in H95 is not dictated by the file bit rate but by the limits in the Bluetooth protocols and hardware transmitting and receiving the data.

Is that clearer or do I have the wrong end of the point you were wanting answering?

 

 

Thank you for the comments and information so far.

I still not have a solution for listening my collection. 

So far I thought about the idea to get a Bluesound Node 2(i) which would have some kind of 2 way Bluetooth. You can connect a tablet or phone to it to stream content to the Bluesound and you are able to connect a headphone via bluetooth for listening. I that case I probably need to use Bluesound's software to search and play the content. 

As the B&O app isn't a music player on itself, then it would be handy that for instance a Core or any other Beosound would have (2-way) Bluetooth for connecting a headphone. In that case you need to use the B&O app for browsing through your content. But as I already mentioned, the B&O app doesn't  have a charming way of showing and searching through your albums and artists. It's just plan text and swiping takes ages.

Another solution was handed to use a Core, use the powerlink on a fixed level and then feed the H95 with it. But that would be also be a rather expensive way. As you are not able to use the Core in combination with beolabs anymore. And again you have to use the B&O app. 

As for the proper way, I ment that I would rather not use any cheapish mediaplayer, connect that to for instance a Ouverture or any other Beosound with a socket for a headphone. I'm trying to keep the chain as short as possible.

Location: Utrecht

Quite a challenge to achieve "Less is More" while having the Beovirus.

Mr 10Percent wrote:

Sorry, let me try again. Not an expert but giving a view which hopefully makes sense?

1. First part of the post seems to me to indicate you have a concern for converting WMA to FLAC and whether the H95 DAC can play that. My answer would be that WMA to FLAC is likely not to go into hi-RES quality and will more than likely still be CD Bluebook - i.e. 44.1/16

2. Most DACs will operate in hi-Res. Most modern DACs have a sweet spot of around DSD256-512 bitrate. DSD512 IIRC is 384k/24 in PCM. 

3. The data transfer in H95 is not dictated by the file bit rate but by the limits in the Bluetooth protocols and hardware transmitting and receiving the data.

Is that clearer or do I have the wrong end of the point you were wanting answering?


Clear, thanks :)

Given the wording in the first post, I (wrongly?) assumed that Beoboddy wanted to use the H95 wired either via 3.5mm jack or USB-C input and not via Bluetooth.

 

Beobuddy wrote:

Thank you for the comments and information so far.

I still not have a solution for listening my collection. 

So far I thought about the idea to get a Bluesound Node 2(i) which would have some kind of 2 way Bluetooth. You can connect a tablet or phone to it to stream content to the Bluesound and you are able to connect a headphone via bluetooth for listening. I that case I probably need to use Bluesound's software to search and play the content. 

As the B&O app isn't a music player on itself, then it would be handy that for instance a Core or any other Beosound would have (2-way) Bluetooth for connecting a headphone. In that case you need to use the B&O app for browsing through your content. But as I already mentioned, the B&O app doesn't  have a charming way of showing and searching through your albums and artists. It's just plan text and swiping takes ages.

Another solution was handed to use a Core, use the powerlink on a fixed level and then feed the H95 with it. But that would be also be a rather expensive way. As you are not able to use the Core in combination with beolabs anymore. And again you have to use the B&O app. 

As for the proper way, I ment that I would rather not use any cheapish mediaplayer, connect that to for instance a Ouverture or any other Beosound with a socket for a headphone. I'm trying to keep the chain as short as possible.

  1.  So let me understand, you'd use your phone to stream Bluetooth music to the Bluesound Node and then the Bluesound Node to transmit the music to the H95?
    If so, that's a terrible solution - why not connecting the H95 directly to your phone
  2. Actually the B&O app is a media player too (only with online Deezer and local DLNA sources though), as long as the playing device is a speaker and not headphones.
I think what is lacking here is a bit of clarity on whether you want to take advantage of the convenience of Bluetooth and use your H95 in wireless mode (while still using them in the way that, despite being wireless, can grant the smallest loss of quality allowed by using Bluetooth, a.k.a. using an aptX HD compatible source), or whether you'd prefer to sacrifice that just to reach the (subjectively perceptible) highest sound quality possible (a.k.a. using the H95 wired via USB-C).

In both cases, you can enjoy your local library of ripped tracks on your NAS.

Two fundamental questions (in addition to: Bluetooth or wired?):
  1. What phone (maker and model) do you have?
  2. What NAS (maker and model) do you have?
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