Personally I feel that the sketches have done more damage then this actual picture might do but that is a different story. If you google "Beovision 10" that and a picture of Trip English show up ....

I am not desperate to to buy but can't follow the logic that this was posted to ruin the launch event. Getting an early unauthorized sneak peak is what happens all the time and I do not think requires moderation - which to me looks like a "tip to the hat" to B&O and in fact wold raise questions about the independence.

 

jk1002 wrote:

Personally I feel that the sketches have done more damage then this actual picture might do but that is a different story. If you google "Beovision 10" that and a picture of Trip English show up ....

I am not desperate to to buy but can't follow the logic that this was posted to ruin the launch event. Getting an early unauthorized sneak peak is what happens all the time and I do not think requires moderation - which to me looks like a "tip to the hat" to B&O and in fact wold raise questions about the independence.

 

Fair enough - it's just that seeing a picture of the BV10 a few weeks in advance isn't going to change my life (or my opinion of the TV or Beoworld, now or before). Each to his own.

Personally I suspect the leaking of a picture here - in this instance, with a new account and a made up name, is less about spoiling B&O's launch plans, than it is about smearing Beoworld - I could be wrong.

Sorry guys, you can`t be serious. Despite they even did not ask to remove the pic you did it? And you feel like "true enthusiats"? That sounds more like preemptive obedience or a really strange submissiveness to me. Oh my, what happened to this forum. The web should be at least sometimes about this small, exciting leaks, if nobody gets harmed. That´s sometimes the best in live. And not about waiting when some glorius company is willing to share an -in reality completely useless and utter unimportant- information. To me this feels wrong and boosts a slightly weired feeling I have about this forum from the very beginning. Pics got deleted, links removed (think beo5 config tool), tvs sponsered for some magic price draw, invitations accepted and so on. I'm active in a lot of forums in the net, but never happend to find this kind of fraternization with the object of the forum's focus.

Night, beoberlin

Beoberlin - i respect everything you say of course.

So - we have two ways to go as a site.  We can break blurred images, leaks and information that can get us alienated and genuinely disliked by B&O (think of the 'old days'), or we can have a site that has a good relationship with B&O (think prizes, gifts, trips to the factory and so on).

We don't advertise all their products as 'perfect' and we complain like mad when B&O throw out Turkeys and expect us to be grateful.  I think we do a very good job of letting B&O know when we dislike a product, and i challenge anyone to find a single post that's slating or even mildly criticising a product that has been moderated.  That's the lifeblood of this site.. we are delighted when B&O release a great product, and we rant like hell when the roll out a pile of crap! I salute you all for doing that, and positively encourage you all to do so.  If i could snap a Serene shut on Torben's nose and drop a DVD2 on his foot - i'd do it. However, i'd buy him a beer afterwards as i liked the guy! (LOL)

I do agree that releasing an image of the BV10 isn't exactly going to kill anyone, and such a small and blurry image isn't exactly going to leak all over the internet and create a fuss unless you have 90/90 vision and can out-focus an eagle - but i do think i owed it to B&O to at least discuss the image with the OP.  However, the OP decided to register in a fictitious name - so what am i to do - tell B&O that 'Peter Bang' of 'no street. Stuer' posted them so it's ok?  What do i say to that?

B&O are on the ropes financially, they have a new product coming that they believe will be the 'new Avant' and they are excited about it.. and it could turn the company around in a very dark hour. They have poured a whole heap of money they don't have into a huge press launch, and (i suspect) a banned member has posted an image simply to create exactly what has happened.  He seems to have won on this occasion, and has registered a new account and sent me a PM to basically laugh at me. Great, just what i need.

So, here we are - be a little 'renegade' site that spoils it for B&O or be a valuable opinion for the company we love and support. These are the two extremes - and if i'm honest, i'd love to be somewhere inbetween.

That said, this site is all about its members and the moderating team - not me.  Yes, i get the sh*tty decisions to make, and yes - i deal with the fallout, but at the end of the day - without members, the site is nothing.  Feedback please!?

Lee

 

jk1002 wrote:

Personally I feel that the sketches have done more damage then this actual picture might do but that is a different story. If you google "Beovision 10" that and a picture of Trip English show up ....

Alright, the cat's out of the bag. I AM THE BEOVISION 10!

And Lee, for the record I think the balance in moderating here is about as flawless as you're going to see on the all of the internet. You'll never please everyone, but it sounds like even the most frustrated still really enjoy the site. Great work and thanks for the all the hard work. 

j0hnbarker wrote:

I think those in charge mustn't start to view these occasional flarings as irksome though, as at least it shows everyone out there in internet land is wide awake and has an opinion!

This is true. Prior to such flareups, opinions on the internet were nearly undetectable. 👍 

After my initial wtf are we censoring things now attitude... I have to admit that it's a storm in a teacup.

Although I do feel sorry for moderators - an enjoyable position to be in most of the time, but hard work that is done well by them all. So a big grovelling thank you to Lee, Peter and the rest for doing such a great job here day after day.🤒

Then again as we can sometimes see, people do get the hairs on the back of their heads up on end and their job suddenly becomes pretty thankless.

I don't see any issue with what they've done, the small picture had about the same chance of being seen as the new ring found x million miles off saturn 😁

I think the litmus test of the future product must surely be that Peter has pre-ordered!

If that doesn't tell you that the product is worth the wait/pre-ordering then nothing will 😁

Dear Beoworld,

You made the your next mistake!
By justifying to the forum the deletion of my posting, you did post my credentials. So all third parties can read them.
If I had used my actual credentials how save would these have been if you were confronted by real pressure of a third party?

Anyway, how save are our credentials?
Shouldn’t you rethink your privacy policy?

For sure I will be extra cautious when I post something on this forum!

Sven_Peter wrote:

Dear Beoworld, You made the your next mistake! By justifying to the forum the deletion of my posting, you did post my credentials. So all third parties can read them. If I had used my actual credentials how save would these have been if you were confronted by real pressure of a third party? Anyway, how save are our credentials? Shouldn’t you rethink your privacy policy? For sure I will be extra cautious when I post something on this forum!

Actually, he does have a point here. Irrespective of whether the owner thinks the address or details are fake/incorrect, they should *never* be posted on a public forum. That is a breach of personal rights. We all understand a forum has to be moderated - and I agree the picture should have been removed - but never justify the reasons, based on exposing the user their details.

9 LEE wrote:

but i do think i owed it to B&O to at least discuss the image with the OP.

No you don't. You could have taken that decision independently, that could have made sense and in accordance with the new B&O friendly orientation of the site. If B&O had complained for a breach of copyright, that could have made sense as well. But asking B&O's point of view... :-( 

9 LEE wrote:

so what am i to do - tell B&O that 'Peter Bang' of 'no street. Stuer' posted them so it's ok?

Why does it matter WHO posted the picture. So if the person had used his real name/detail, you'd have given them to B&O!!!?!!!?!! Great! Wonderful!

Lee can you reassure us that you'd not reveal anyone's details unless you are legally obliged.