You need to recheck your facts yet again. 

The 2x Tuners for recording isn't unique to the Eclipse as it's also offered by some other TV manufacturers.

The built-in surround sound processor is also offered by some other TV manufacturers. 

Picture-in-Picture - Also offered by some other TV manufacturers which include more than one tuner on their TVs. 

Motorised stand - Also offered by a certain German TV manufacturer already mentioned in this thread (although not to the same design or ability as the Eclipse, it's still a motorised stand nonetheless). 

So let's see, what's unique to the Eclipse that's left on your list?

PUC System interface & Multiroom capable interface.

The only other things unique to the Eclipse one might want to add to that list is the powerful 450 watt sound bar and maybe the design.    

Emil Jensen wrote:

Puncher wrote:

Which of these features are not in the soundbar?

What is your point exactly?

but to answer your question compared to C7:

You get 2 tuner for recording 

You get picture in picture

You get a full blown surround processor interface on the TV

multiroom capable interface

PUC system interface

motoricestand interface

 

OK - at this point I give up - enjoy your telly!

From a question in the Eclipse thread..........

vikinger wrote:

Don't be blind to what the competition offers and assume that B&O is always superior.

I'm definitely not blind. This is far superior to many BeoPlay speakers: link

I bought one the other day. Love the design (mostly made out of rubber components), performs well, it's waterproof, supports Alexa and much more. The MegaBlast is better again, but far less portable. I take the (old, previous) Blast on vacation.

The problem with B&O fans is that a lot are lazy thinkers and don't want the 'stress' of finding other products so want to stick with 'what we know' and are blinkered in this thinking: look at a couple of Eclipse owners on here. Acting a little like rabid cornered dogs.

AngloApulian wrote:

You need to recheck your facts yet again. 

The 2x Tuners for recording isn't unique to the Eclipse as it's also offered by some other TV manufacturers.

The built-in surround sound processor is also offered by some other TV manufacturers. 

Picture-in-Picture - Also offered by some other TV manufacturers which include more than one tuner on their TVs. 

Motorised stand - Also offered by a certain German TV manufacturer already mentioned in this thread (although not to the same design or ability as the Eclipse, it's still a motorised stand nonetheless). 

So let's see, what's unique to the Eclipse that's left on your list?

PUC System interface & Multiroom capable interface.

The only other things unique to the Eclipse one might want to add to that list is the powerful 450 watt sound bar and maybe the design.    

You need to read what i wrote.

Compared to a LG C7

And I am not saying B&O have something others dont have.

What I am saying they are the only one who have it in one product and one remote.

I wonder if you guys have ever known the advantage of a B&O tv???

i wonder if there would still be a 77'' version in the works now that too many people are fired. i sincerly hope they didn't get rid of all their talent... something along the lines of the lg w7/loewe bild 7 77'' but with more B&Oness. 

eitherway it's not good news.

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Emil Jensen wrote:

What I am saying they are the only one who have it in one product and one remote.

I wonder if you guys have ever known the advantage of a B&O tv???

That's exactly why I'm still considering an Eclipse even with the lack of curtains, Vision Clear or Automatic Picture Control.

When you got for ages a tv with one remote (even for light) and all the goodies attached (ie. stb, Playstation, Bluray...) without a furniture, it's hard to go back.

And even if the Loewe option could be an alternative Tv alone (to which point for the unique remote ?) I still prefer the look and materials of the Eclipse and the Puc with stb brackets on the back.

Picture and sound are certainly an improvement over my BV 11-46 so I absolutely don't care if the "competition" have better settings for their Oled panels.

A few of us expected a price tag between 7.500 € / 8.000 € for the 55", at that price the Tv would certainely be already in my living room and some employees still in Struer. We'll never know...

Puncher wrote:

 

OK - at this point I give up - enjoy your telly!

 

You know Puncher, I've seen people get less upset when you shoot their dog than when anyone points out the negatives of the Eclipse or other B&O gear.

Beer_Baron wrote:

I bought my first B&O over 10 years ago. Since then I have suffered financial hardship, etc. but recently things have turned around to the point where I either buy a car (sold it due to job loss) or buy an Eclipse. Guess what I'm doing...

My point is that when I first bought I came on here and read all the posts - around mid-2000s. Same issues. B&O are losing their way, it's all going pear-shaped, etc. It's strange to come back after such a long time and read much the same things.

I suppose I'm fortunate to have bypassed all the software troubles of recent products. B&O have had lots of software issues and the number 1 cry appears to be - fix the software! So B&O out source their software to a major TV manufacturer (LG) which will immediately reduce a lot of their tech burden, and what do people say? They now complain that it isn't B&O.

MO: B&O have done the right thing to reduce tech risk by further outsourcing the TV bits to other manufacturers, leaving them to focus on the audio and networking which is B&O's forte. I can't see them churning out premium BV products that debut two years after everyone else, and make a profit.

As to outsourcing to China, get real. Just about everything you buy or use comes from overseas, no matter where you live. It's the quality that counts, not the location.

I'm happy to buy the Eclipse, I think it's worth it, mainly because I like the brand. My existing BV and other toys kept a smile on my face even through the worst times. I had a real attachment to my car and I miss it, but I sold it in preference to my B&O. If they fail in the next few years I'll be devastated, but I am happy with the product today. Tomorrow, who knows? I'll judge it when I next purchase some B&O magic.

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