You need to recheck your facts. The latest Loewe TVs (bild 4, 5, 7 & 9 models) all have Dolby Vision and far superior image processing than the LG C7 which is what the Eclipse uses. The only thing the Eclipse has going for it is the sound and that’s about it. It s basically a rebadged LG C7 with a motorised stand and 450 watt soundbar.And your color comment, Eclipse have Dolby Vision, Philips and Loewe, have not, and Sony is still holding its software back.
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First of all, sorry about saying Loewe dont have dolby vision, my mistake.
I have always turned pro motion, or what they else have called fancy system, completely off. And I am not the only one.
You guys keep saying that Loewe is better, and I will not get into details if you eyes can judge this.
But we should agree that the eclipse in the top 5 in picture quality in the world, and B&O have never been up there, especially when we talk about new technology. Other models have used old displays or anyways have after a year been behind(Hopefully this will change with LG)
I think that the earth have turned upside down when it is needed to specify what you get ekstra with a B&O television on a B&O fan forum.
Lets compare to a LG C7, you get ekstra:
You get 2 tuner for recording
You get picture in picture
You get a full blown surround processor in worldclass with interface on the TV
You get a full multiroom capable sound system
You get Airplay
You get chromecast
You get Tune in
You get one of the best remote in the world
You get a full PUC system to control third party
You get storage space for a Apple tv
You get option for a motoricestand with to axle
You get option for a flowding motor wall mount
You get the best sound from a TV in the world
You get both 3.0 and 1.0 sound option from the tv
You get WISA best wireless speaker system in the world
World class design (In my personal taste)
Oh no sorry i forgot it is just a rebranded TV, come on guys!
Well, heaven help me for judging a TV by it's, you know, picture. I should be happy then with an old Magnavox B&O round tube set if it has BL90s on the sides of it. Lawdy!
I have one question for you, do you think Rolls Royce any model is better then a Mercedes S600 ?
I'm lost by Emil's attempt at logic. B&O has always been about sound quality and integration. Arguing the merits of a single TV is just daft. B&O is not about a single TV -- which has very short and fleeting value. It's about the enduring quality of sound as a home system.
Great post! Agree completely.First of all, sorry about saying Loewe dont have dolby vision, my mistake. I have always turned pro motion, or what they else have called fancy system, completely off. And I am not the only one. You guys keep saying that Loewe is better, and I will not get into details if you eyes can judge this. But we should agree that the eclipse in the top 5 in picture quality in the world, and B&O have never been up there, especially when we talk about new technology. Other models have used old displays or anyways have after a year been behind(Hopefully this will change with LG) I think that the earth have turned upside down when it is needed to specify what you get ekstra with a B&O television on a B&O fan forum. Lets compare to a LG C7, you get ekstra: You get 2 tuner for recording You get picture in picture You get a full blown surround processor in worldclass with interface on the TV You get a full multiroom capable sound system You get Airplay You get chromecast You get Tune in You get one of the best remote in the world You get a full PUC system to control third party You get storage space for a Apple tv You get option for a motoricestand with to axle You get option for a flowding motor wall mount You get the best sound from a TV in the world You get both 3.0 and 1.0 sound option from the tv You get WISA best wireless speaker system in the world World class design (In my personal taste) Oh no sorry i forgot it is just a rebranded TV, come on guys! Beolab 20, Beolab 17, Transmitter 1
Lets compare to a LG C7, you get ekstra:
Right, at least over here in the frozen north, a LG C7 costs around 2-3k compared to Ecplise at around 20k.
That's quite the mental gymnastics to justify a soundbar and stand. And yes I already get all that functionality via an AppleTV & Logitech Harmony which works perfectly not tied to a particular brand, every time. Plus I can upgrade to a W7 without having to scrap everything.
If I didn't really have my LG OLED either next year or so I'm going to import a Loewe. Still keep the beolabs of course but they're not exclusive to Beovisions.
As an eclipse owner here i have to correct this a little. 1.Here in my bit of europe, cable companies work with ci+ modules(cable card) for hd tv. So therefore i can’t use the two tuner option(as it’s not really there in the way any normal person would read the spec sheet or manual). The only option is record hd and watch sd content and vice versa. This has made me furious, but apparently my dealer told me i can move house to another region where it’s subscribtion based without ci+ modules. It does have dual satelite tuners, but here for sat tv hd rating is 720i at best. So that’s a big no go. Somehow this is the fault of my cable provider and not b&o advertising when it does state dual tuner in the manual etc. 2. The same goes for picture in picture, the ci+(cable card) can only decode one stream of hd content at a time. So sd and hd is fine, but NOT hd with hd. 3. As you can not pause live tv on a usb drive(regardless of speed mb/s or size) i had to get an external hdd. The next problem became space, at the most obvious place they don’t fit with the ci+ module installed so i’t now in the main area behind the screen. This also isn’t fantastic because the cable route that is available(hmdi cec to soundbar route) doesn’t leave enough clearance for the usb cable to also pass through with the side cover on. So i’ll have to modify that someday soon by cutting/filing a notch out of the plastic.Now coming to the “space” for the apple tv, i don’t think it’s there internally although i haven’t tried. I use an ultra slim 2.5” hdd from seagate which is under 10mm high. I do have some extra room in there but not much more than 3-4mm maybe 5mm. So unless the apple tv is 15ish millimeter in height, it won’t fit on the interior of the tv. The deepest i’ve measured so far was 25mm i think, but those places had length and width limitations. I do like the picture quality though, if it’s not the best it’s so damn near close that with normal/enthusiast viewing you would never notice unless you have something better side by side. And even then it’s more like a 98% - 100% difference compared to a 85% - 100% difference wich it often souds like people are saying on here. So i gues my conclusion on the picture aspect is that probably everybody is right in saying the picture isn’t the best, but it’s sooooo close that it’s almost margin of error(freeze frame stuff). MikipediaLets compare to a LG C7, you get ekstra: You get 2 tuner for recording You get picture in picture You get storage space for a Apple tv
Comparing the price of a Beovision to another TV is ridiculous. Nobody buys a B and O TV because of the value of it. Just as nobody buys a Bentley, for instance, because of it’s value. Obviously if you look at the specifications one could find any number of cars that would out perform and have more features than a Bentley for less money.And who cares where the screen comes from. The new Aston Martin Vantage has a Mercedes AMG engine in it, Mercedes electronics, and a touchpad straight out of the current Mercedes models. But I am certain Aston Martin will sell every Vantage they can make. Bang and Olufsen is a luxury product and the price of a luxury product can never be justified in comparison to other products. People either like individual Bang and Olufsen products or they do not.Similarly the price may make sense to some and not to others. Personally, the price of the Eclipse looks like a bargain to me when I think of the $8,500 I paid 17 years ago for a 32 inch Avant or the fact that my 7-55 cost thousands of dollars more than a 55 inch Eclipse. Will I buy an Eclipse? I don’t know. I have yet to see one in person.But from the pictures, reviews, and features of it, I do like it very much.
Comparing the price of a Beovision to another TV is ridiculous. Nobody buys a B and O TV because of the value of it. Just as nobody buys a Bentley, for instance, because of it’s value. Obviously if you look at the specifications one could find any number of cars that would out perform and have more features than a Bentley for less money.
And who cares where the screen comes from. The new Aston Martin Vantage has a Mercedes AMG engine in it, Mercedes electronics, and a touchpad straight out of the current Mercedes models. But I am certain Aston Martin will sell every Vantage they can make.
Bang and Olufsen is a luxury product and the price of a luxury product can never be justified in comparison to other products.
People either like individual Bang and Olufsen products or they do not.
Similarly the price may make sense to some and not to others. Personally, the price of the Eclipse looks like a bargain to me when I think of the $8,500 I paid 17 years ago for a 32 inch Avant or the fact that my 7-55 cost thousands of dollars more than a 55 inch Eclipse.
Will I buy an Eclipse? I don’t know. I have yet to see one in person.
But from the pictures, reviews, and features of it, I do like it very much.
Hi Razlaw, every time I read your comments, I always think that either you are blessed with too much money or cursed with little critical thinking or both. No body should ever throw out money on anything because they think it is a “Luxury” brand, particularly if there are choices available. But hey, who is to say what the best way to live. You live your way and many of us will live our way.
Also, please do not keep repeating where the screen comes from, You may not know but everyone else seems to already know that there is only manufacturer of large size OLED screen and that is LG.
Will I buy an Eclipse? I don’t know. I have yet to see one in person.
But from the pictures, reviews, and features of it, I do like it very much.
But, with respect Razlaw, you say that about anything B&O. Every time there’s a new speaker release, you need it. New TV, it’s automatically excellent. Ultra-positive about all things B&O. Almost blinded by the brand. And there nothing wrong in that. Remember, we all own the kit! I have plenty of B&O and BeoPlay product.
The products are still excellent. But let down with constant software issues, reduced post-sale support, strong competition and the people here are rightly arguing the entire ethos is going, too. It’s just not the same B&O.
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