beopuig wrote:

Newer systems  probably sound better....

But you're wrong! Newer systems only sound better because all the components are fresh. Restore a vintage system, with fresh components where required, and it will outperform a new system every time! For the purposes of honest comparison, in both of them there are now fresh components, but the circuit design in vintage equipment is so much more conducive to good sound.

My restored BM3400 will outperform a new BS9000 or anything else, in terms of what the ears prefer with the eyes closed. I embarass my customers every day (and make them smile).

Menahem

beopuig wrote:

Søren Hammer wrote:

beopuig:

I totally love your vintage oriented systems! Is it two pairs of S-60/S-75's you are using? 🙂

 

Thanks Soren. They are S60.

Maybe I am wrong, but for me the actual charm of the brand are the vintage systems. This is like good wine, in general, the older,  the better, provided that they are from good years. Newer systems  probably sound better, have more fancy gadgets and stat-of-the-art applications,  but they lack this special taste and character  of vintage wine/systems. I think that they even have a soul!

Older (unserviced) systems may even have their own life 😁

[Warning: Pro-vintage oriented content] older Hi-fi may be of a better design than today. Think of all that "Made in China" stuff with tiny little surface mounted components and they tend to save money on their designs. The older stuff is repairable and reliable, and the designers/engineers put way much time into the product than often seen today.

yachadm wrote:

beopuig wrote:

Newer systems  probably sound better....

But you're wrong! Newer systems only sound better because all the components are fresh. Restore a vintage system, with fresh components where required, and it will outperform a new system every time! For the purposes of honest comparison, in both of them there are now fresh components, but the circuit design in vintage equipment is so much more conducive to good sound.

My restored BM3400 will outperform a new BS9000 or anything else, in terms of what the ears prefer with the eyes closed. I embarass my customers every day (and make them smile).

Menahem

Very early on in my membership of 'Beoworld', I raised the whole question of whether vintage B&O sounded better than the current crop of products (excluding the BL5 and, arguably, the BL9 from that discussion).  My experience of listening to an old BC 4000 from the 70s clearly indicated just how good old B&O is in comparison to some of the more modern pieces.  The responses from others on this site clearly indicated I was not alone! Here is a link to the thread. 

 /forum/general-discussion-and-questions/does-vintage-bampo-sound-better

Since then, nothing I have heard has changed my initial impression.  Purely from a sound quality point of view, very little of the current range compares favourably with some of the great older products available for a fraction of the price.  I appreciate the design purity of the BL4000 and BL 8000/8002 immensely and indeed, would like to own them, but whether they are better than my P45s, S45.2s or Mc120.2s - well, that's another story.

Cleve  

That is a good thread 🙂

Found a Beocenter 9300 at a Red Cross shop, I just couln't pass it up. Almost mint condition and everything works, it even included a Beo4 remote! I have exeeded my storage capacity limit, some of my Beolab 8000 system must go [:'(]

Cleviebaby wrote:

yachadm wrote:

beopuig wrote:

Newer systems  probably sound better....

But you're wrong! Newer systems only sound better because all the components are fresh. Restore a vintage system, with fresh components where required, and it will outperform a new system every time! For the purposes of honest comparison, in both of them there are now fresh components, but the circuit design in vintage equipment is so much more conducive to good sound.

My restored BM3400 will outperform a new BS9000 or anything else, in terms of what the ears prefer with the eyes closed. I embarass my customers every day (and make them smile).

Menahem

 

Very early on in my membership of 'Beoworld', I raised the whole question of whether vintage B&O sounded better than the current crop of products (excluding the BL5 and, arguably, the BL9 from that discussion).  My experience of listening to an old BC 4000 from the 70s clearly indicated just how good old B&O is in comparison to some of the more modern pieces.  The responses from others on this site clearly indicated I was not alone! Here is a link to the thread. 

 /forum/general-discussion-and-questions/does-vintage-bampo-sound-better

Since then, nothing I have heard has changed my initial impression.  Purely from a sound quality point of view, very little of the current range compares favourably with some of the great older products available for a fraction of the price.  I appreciate the design purity of the BL4000 and BL 8000/8002 immensely and indeed, would like to own them, but whether they are better than my P45s, S45.2s or Mc120.2s - well, that's another story.

Cleve  

You are  right Cleve. This impression wast just confirmed last week when I visited a friend of mine  and I discovered he bought recently a Beosound 4 (2100 eur). The touch was so plasticky,the weight of the whole system so light, the assembling so fragile and vulnerable... definitevely, I thought, this has no soul!

I've been permitted a little bit of shelf space in the lounge for items that would otherwise be in their boxes!

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That's a great idea! It's like an in-house B&O musem display. I've often thought of doing something like that with all of my old B&O land-line telephones that I no longer use.

Henrik that system still looks so fresh even to my iPhone generation friends!  Wow that design was so ahead of its time - lovely, awesome in fact!

Paul Winn wrote:

iPhone generation friends

My white BeoSystem 4500 always wows this crowd. Even with just pictures! The all say; "That's a stereo?!"- mouths agape.

😐