Was my guess - remember these new technologies do take much longer than ppl expect to become both widely available (ie a number of brands offering them) and reasonably (i.e. not prohibitively priced).

Also the OLED specialists like LG will cling to it, and continue to offer it for a while, so its not as if their focus will suddenly shift to microLED.

Anyway, and all told, if you ask me when B&O ill first offer a BV with microLED, my guess would be not before 2023.

mawheele wrote:

Sandyb wrote:

Come 4 years time, micro LED will be a bit more of a practical proposition.

Nailed it. Micro LED is the next refresh cycle if you already have an Eclipse or OLED panel today. Not sure it'll be 4-years however. Your 2021 iPad and MacBook Pros will undoubtedly have it and I can't imagine TV's are too far behind.

mawheele wrote:

Sandyb wrote:

Come 4 years time, micro LED will be a bit more of a practical proposition.

Nailed it. Micro LED is the next refresh cycle if you already have an Eclipse or OLED panel today. Not sure it'll be 4-years however. Your 2021 iPad and MacBook Pros will undoubtedly have it and I can't imagine TV's are too far behind.

They will have mini Led, which is the same as LCD

Micro LED is only available in 140” plus

Actually, the V1 Eclipse can be upgraded. Some members have used the V1 Sound Center with a C9 panel successfully by installing the B&O app on the TV and connecting the HDMI and LAN as if it was a V1. This is just the mechanical fit that is problematic. But if the goal is to salvage a set, perhaps the way is to install the new boards and the raw OLED panel in the V1 panel chassis. 

I own a V1 Eclipse and I very satisfied with it. But I am also interested to keep it for several years as I did with my other Beovisions and that's why I am following that thread carefully. 

Jean

Sandyb wrote:

moxxey wrote:

 

Well, it is a 2016 panel, effectively and relatively 'old' in terms of OLED technology. Plus you don't get some app support, such as Apple TV and so on.

 

But, no-one is now saying that the Eclipse v1 is outdated or, dare I say it, eclipsed by v2. Let's put this in some context please. All I'm saying is, this 'able to swap out the panel in future' was made in to a relatively big thing when the Eclipse v1 was launched - it was discussed frequently. And it can't. Question is, can the v2? We're again emphasising how the panel can be swapped out in future, but can it? We're in danger of treading the same path again!

 

My only issue with the Eclipse v1 was dealers were flogging it for over £7000 up until a couple or so months ago, even though it was a 4-year-old panel - if you found a C7 on-sale in 2020, you'd probably pick if up for £200, or a fraction of the original cost.

 

 

Well indeed- was the ability to swap panels really a feature of the v1?

 

 

Just because it was discussed here doesn’t make it so

 

 

Nothing in the release coverage of the Eclipse back in 2016 suggested such modularity.

 

 

And no one on here has reported their v1 with the C7 panel being upgraded to a C9 for example!?!

 

 

So I don’t know why this question persists.

 

 

I’m sure there will have been a few dealers who said “sure, that should/could be possible “...but I’ll say again- if the upgrade ability of the v1 was an inherent part of the Eclipse original design, this would have been emphasised by B&O at launch.

 

 

No dealer ever talked to me about this, neither did I hear anything alike from the HQ/Struer.

What was told (and this might have been misunderstood.....from some dealers and costumers), was that this platform with the SoundCenter and the stand options would make later versions possible, with coming displays from LG.

Exactly this is what we see now.

MM

Millemissen wrote:

No dealer ever talked to me about this, neither did I hear anything alike from the HQ/Struer.

What was told (and this might have been misunderstood.....from some dealers and costumers), was that this platform with the SoundCenter and the stand options would make later versions possible, with coming displays from LG.

Exactly this is what we see now.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

moxxey wrote:

It's a 4-year-old TV. If someone wants to spend good money on that now, fair enough. But please stop posting in late 2020 that it somehow matches the quality of the GX, which is 2019 technology, yes.

No. Just fed up reading made up rubbish designed to make yourself feel good. Its moved onto exaggerating the age of a product released in September 2017.  Remember, we've had to listen to how a Beovision 65" Plasma with 1080P is magnificent for the past several years whilst everything we have is second best. Now, we're listening to how a GX with a Stage - nothing more than a less capable Sonos Arc with aluminium trim - is better than what we have.  

Perhaps you could be nice about a product you don't own and make everyone here feel good, rather than just yourself. Thanks.

To me the swap display is not about upgrade every year or every other year - but it is about being able to continue using the soundcenter if the LG panel dies after 3 or 4 or even 5 years. Otherwise you can throw the whole thing out... I sure hope that the V2 Eclipse has a standard VISA bracket. In " the old days" we knew that B&O would have spare parts for years to come - we don't have that guarantee now. I am about to replace my (still going strong) Beovision 7.40 mk III - will most likely end up with V2 Eclipse 55, but would have loved the Eclipse Soundcenter as the Stage (or the other way around?) I really do not like the stupid glass(?) piece underneath the speaker of the Eclipse Soundcenter. And why on earth did they have to use the GX instead of the CX? It makes no sense - I actually prefer the back of the V1 to the V2. When that is said I really think that the Ecplise (V1 and V2) is a great package...

The cable management would have been horrible if they had chosen the CX

mawheele wrote:

No. Just fed up reading made up rubbish designed to make yourself feel good. 

Incredible. I am nice about the product - if you read my posts I was very close to buying an Eclipse v1 in March, but decided it wasn't value for money. If I could get a deal on a v2 using my GX I'd potentially pull the trigger. I've spoken with a dealer today and the price makes this more than justifiable. Actually, surprisingly so. It's likely to happen. I'll then keep the 65" wall-mounted.

But I'm also balanced and realistic about doing this and how much I spend. Just presenting the arguments on a forum, not going around like yourself trying to tell people a 4-year-old panel is realistically a good buy in 2020, which is what you keep implying (as I'm sure you have doubts about the purchase, which is why you feel the need to repeatedly do this).

If you really believe a 2016-designed panel offers value where someone should be paying at leas £7K in 2020 (ie. earlier) this year, fine. If you think this is "made up rubbish" (nothing like your claims of the older panel being 'universally brighter' then?!), fair enough, keep posting, but I don't see the value in what you claim any more than mine. Yours is no more valid than what I'm saying. 

The Eclipse is a fantastic TV. Frankly though v2 should have been out ages ago and that's arguably my biggest issue personally. The v1 shouldn't have still been on the market in March 2020 and certainly not at £8000+ (even if there were a few deals to be had), so they are the reasons for my posts. From all my years of buying B&O kit and experience of panels, I just do not agree a 4-year-old panel is a good future investment. Indeed, you're effectively buying a plastic LG with a limited lifespan, too and the Eclipse v1 can't be updated with a replacement panel nor can you drop in a GX - these are all reasons for me posting and questioning Eclipse v1. Don't take them so personally or act so aggressively.

And it's not my job to make yourself feel good. You don't need me for that and vice-versa. If you can afford an Eclipse v1 I'm sure you don't need people like me to hold your hand with your own decision. Thanks.

...the v1 shouldn't have still been on the market in March 2020 and certainly not at £8000+ (even if there were a few deals to be had), so they are the reasons for my posts. From all my years of buying B&O kit and experience of panels, I just do not agree a 4-year-old panel is a good future investment.

I do agree with the following points (above) Moxxey makes as these are the 2 main reasons I am not buying the Eclipse. I am also not a fan of the glass underneath the sound centre as it looks odd and out of place to me. The Eclipse version 2 doesn’t disappoint, but that’s only because I wasn’t expecting a new radical design; we knew it was only ever going to be a refresh.

The problem for me, really, is that my newer home that I’ve now been in for 3 years just doesn’t have the space of my former pad, so anything bigger than a BV10/11/14 is going to look too imposing. Even my BV9 before the BV11 probably would have been too big with the accompanying BL9s, which is why I sold it all on before moving.

I do think you need increasing larger spaces now to accommodate the newer BeoVisions particularly, which seem to be getting bigger and bigger each year if anything.

The new 48” Contour is appealing from a size perspective but as mentioned in a different thread, the design just doesn’t quite cut it for me so I am still sitting on the fence and going to go with the LG W9 with a Stage for the next few years. I am waiting until after CES in the new year to purchase just in case an updated panel is released with better specs but to be fair the W9 will probably be fine. We all want different things so no shoe fits all etc and it is such a difficult marketplace for B&O these days as technology seems to outdate quicker than I’ve ever known it to before. The negative sides of the ‘technological race‘ I suppose.

Simon.