mbee wrote:

A lot of people are saying that TV tech is moving quicker now than I, the good old years of CRT. While this has been correct in the early 2000’s, I cannot see why a C7 panel is clearly outdated compared to a CX/GX. I’m not sure that everybody complaining about getting the latest panel would see any picture quality difference in real life.

Well, it is a 2016 panel, effectively and relatively 'old' in terms of OLED technology. Plus you don't get some app support, such as Apple TV and so on.

But, no-one is now saying that the Eclipse v1 is outdated or, dare I say it, eclipsed by v2. Let's put this in some context please. All I'm saying is, this 'able to swap out the panel in future' was made in to a relatively big thing when the Eclipse v1 was launched - it was discussed frequently. And it can't. Question is, can the v2? We're again emphasising how the panel can be swapped out in future, but can it? We're in danger of treading the same path again!

My only issue with the Eclipse v1 was dealers were flogging it for over £7000 up until a couple or so months ago, even though it was a 4-year-old panel - if you found a C7 on-sale in 2020, you'd probably pick if up for £200, or a fraction of the original cost.

mbee wrote:

A lot of people are saying that TV tech is moving quicker now than I, the good old years of CRT. While this has been correct in the early 2000’s, I cannot see why a C7 panel is clearly outdated compared to a CX/GX. I’m not sure that everybody complaining about getting the latest panel would see any picture quality difference in real life.

For me TV tech is slowing and everything that is new today concerns lower price of manufacturing for the TV brand and marketing hype, not huge picture quality improvements.

I agree but the longevity of the panels is much lower and reliability more suspect than more established technologies  So B&O should either make replacement panels cheap so that a customer who has spent 7K is not stuffed, do B&O care? well they should the have lost to many customers already

moxxey wrote:

Well, it is a 2016 panel, effectively and relatively 'old' in terms of OLED technology. Plus you don't get some app support, such as Apple TV and so on.

But, no-one is now saying that the Eclipse v1 is outdated or, dare I say it, eclipsed by v2. Let's put this in some context please. All I'm saying is, this 'able to swap out the panel in future' was made in to a relatively big thing when the Eclipse v1 was launched - it was discussed frequently. And it can't. Question is, can the v2? We're again emphasising how the panel can be swapped out in future, but can it? We're in danger of treading the same path again!

My only issue with the Eclipse v1 was dealers were flogging it for over £7000 up until a couple or so months ago, even though it was a 4-year-old panel - if you found a C7 on-sale in 2020, you'd probably pick if up for £200, or a fraction of the original cost.

mbee wrote:

A lot of people are saying that TV tech is moving quicker now than I, the good old years of CRT. While this has been correct in the early 2000’s, I cannot see why a C7 panel is clearly outdated compared to a CX/GX. I’m not sure that everybody complaining about getting the latest panel would see any picture quality difference in real life.

For me TV tech is slowing and everything that is new today concerns lower price of manufacturing for the TV brand and marketing hype, not huge picture quality improvements.

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moxxey wrote:

Well, it is a 2016 panel, effectively and relatively 'old' in terms of OLED technology. Plus you don't get some app support, such as Apple TV and so on.

But, no-one is now saying that the Eclipse v1 is outdated or, dare I say it, eclipsed by v2. Let's put this in some context please. All I'm saying is, this 'able to swap out the panel in future' was made in to a relatively big thing when the Eclipse v1 was launched - it was discussed frequently. And it can't. Question is, can the v2? We're again emphasising how the panel can be swapped out in future, but can it? We're in danger of treading the same path again!

My only issue with the Eclipse v1 was dealers were flogging it for over £7000 up until a couple or so months ago, even though it was a 4-year-old panel - if you found a C7 on-sale in 2020, you'd probably pick if up for £200, or a fraction of the original cost.

Sandyb wrote:

Well, it is a 2016 panel, effectively and relatively 'old' in terms of OLED technology. Plus you don't get some app support, such as Apple TV and so on.

For a TV that was not shipping until May of 2017, I'm struggling to see what is 2016 about it.  With the same argument, you could say the GX is 2019 technology. And you are right about the OLED technology, the real updates were in the A9Gen3.

Also, Genuine Top Tip: You want AppleTV, get an Apple TV. Better privacy, security and the silicon in an AppleTV 4K blows away the A9.

Sandyb wrote:

Come 4 years time, micro LED will be a bit more of a practical proposition.

Nailed it. Micro LED is the next refresh cycle if you already have an Eclipse or OLED panel today. Not sure it'll be 4-years however. Your 2021 iPad and MacBook Pros will undoubtedly have it and I can't imagine TV's are too far behind.

mawheele wrote:

Sandyb wrote:

Well, it is a 2016 panel, effectively and relatively 'old' in terms of OLED technology. Plus you don't get some app support, such as Apple TV and so on.

For a TV that was not shipping until May of 2017, I'm struggling to see what is 2016 about it. 

The panel. It was designed in 2016. That's what it's "about". I never said anything about a launch.

You're like the most aggressive Eclipse v1 owner I've experienced. Almost like we're doing this to wind you up. Incredible.

It's a 4-year-old TV. If someone wants to spend good money on that now, fair enough. But please stop posting in late 2020 that it somehow matches the quality of the GX, which is 2019 technology, yes.

Sandyb wrote:

Well indeed- was the ability to swap panels really a feature of the v1?

Just because it was discussed here doesn’t make it so

That's exactly the point I made above :)

ie. dealers and posts here explained how the panel could be updated in future. I'm seeing the same discussion with the v2. I don't see how as the fake panel on the sound center has to match the panel.