We can talk about it until the cows come home - how many folk here are driving the recent generation of very small, highly efficent diesel cars to minimise their emmssions? How many have chosen not to purchase Large flat panel TV's because of the increased power usage?

The list could go on and on - the point being most folk are aware but few have taken many real steps that impact directly on their lifestyle.

beodude wrote:

There is no doubt that we have caused this very recent increase in the levels of green house gasses because it has happened in such a short period of time.

It's still only speculation at best. The vast majority of recent "research" has concentrated in efforts to prove the greenhouse hypothesis, as a desparate effort to keep the cash cow of the millennium alive and kicking. All contradicting data has been systematically swept under the carpet - many of you may know that recorded historical meteorological data about weather phenomenons does only date back to the beginning of industrial revolution, but how many have even heard that data dating centuries further back in time has been recovered from ships' logbooks in maritime museums, not to mention that this data describes in detail weather phenomenons identical to those attributed to current climate change. This is yet another case of real, recorded facts vs. speculation with coarse in silico modeling that's based only on assumptions.

Absolutely, positively nothing new under the sun. Create hysteria, claim to have the solution to the global problem you created, make loads of money.

Food for thought.

Henri wrote:

beodude wrote:

There is no doubt that we have caused this very recent increase in the levels of green house gasses because it has happened in such a short period of time.

All contradicting data has been systematically swept under the carpet - many of you may know that recorded historical meteorological data about weather phenomenons does only date back to the beginning of industrial revolution, but how many have even heard that data dating centuries further back in time has been recovered from ships' logbooks in maritime museums, not to mention that this data describes in detail weather phenomenons identical to those attributed ...

Henri, forget about weather phenomenons, the fact is the ratio of gasses trapped in the ice bubbles is definitive proof of what the atmosphere was like hundreds of thousands of years ago. The amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere directly alters the temperature of the planet. Scientists know this from studying other planets in our solar system which have gasseous atmospheres of methane and other greenhouse gasses that turn out to be much hotter than expected to be as a result.

Forget our own histories from ship log books etc, our own planet and solar system is capable of telling us the whole story since it was formed from direct evidence gathered from the earth itself. It is simply a matter of time. 

I agree that there is also evidence contrary to global warming eg solar sunspots causing climate change to occur, but I don't believe any of them to be as strong theories as the evidence for global warming.

beodude wrote:

Henri, forget about weather phenomenons, the fact is the ratio of gasses trapped in the ice bubbles is definitive proof of what the atmosphere was like hundreds of thousands of years ago.

Considering that only "proof" that gas concentration (partial pressure) has virtually anything to do with atmospheric phenomenons is in man-made, highly speculative calculation formulas. Along with the fact that the astronomy has yet to discover one single planet - among billions known - that has warmed at all during any significant period of time. Planet earth is not a supernova.

As a pseudoscientific scam this climate change hysteria is simply ingenious - all "proof" is so vague and claims so well marketed that finding scientific evidence to support or contradict it is impossible. A religion, nothing more, nothing less, and we're in the middle of its worldwide inquisition as we speak.

This is certainly a debate and a half!

A few years ago my IT contract had ended, and so I worked in a factory that made raised access flooring tiles to pay the bills. 

One of the machines for profiling the MDF cores was a complete pain to set up, and would take a long time and destroy many £ worth of MDF in the process. So, to save time and money the factory used to leave the machine on, constantly, only powering it off for maintenance.  So between shifts (it's a 24-hour factory), tea-breaks etc it was left running....

This machine was a multi-kilowatt 3 phase monster, and it was left constantly on in the name of economics, with not a word being said by the government about it, or anyone else.

Given that this is one machine in one factory in one city in one county in one country......... I don't worry too much about leaving the 3 watt B&O in standby...

Talking of B&O, am I alone in seeing the irony in companies boasting of eco-friendly manufacturing techniques in the literature for their latest 103" marvel/monster that has a power consumption somewhere near a kilowatt?  At least ICEpower is eco-friendly 🙂

ok, let's put this simply...

Does anyone here honestly think we are doing good to our planet?

Or, are we harming our planet?

Any simple step towards doing good to our planet is a step in the right direction. Earth hour is a great initiative, and as it catches on it can only be better and better for our planet.

I, for one, hope it catches on.....

During Fatuous Hour, we had a dinner party here in Miami for 15 where we popped 14 bottles of various rather fine champagnes.  No candle-light for this motley crew, and the air-conditioner was on blast mode as the outside temperature reached 25ºC = 77ºF.

I wonder what the "carbon footprint" of our french bubbly-based soirée was? 😁

Before I left our home, I made sure each one of our 21 lamps was on, all dimmers at max.

I'm not sure I get why you are so proud of such wastage.  😮

25degrees is a nice temperature, so you shouldn't have needed the aircon on at all, and 21 lamps on while you weren't at home??? And this is funny???

Any wastage, whether it be power, food, water, etc. is not a laughing matter.....

jldmelb wrote:

I'm not sure I get why you are so proud of such wastage.  😮

This is the part I don't get:

14 bottles of expensive champagne which underwent riddling (remueur) and other costly, carbon-intensive processes, no-one bats an eyelash.

21 low-voltage 50-watt halogen lights x 7 hrs  used in total 7.35 kW/hr at a cost of 7¢ kW/hr = 51¢, people get all hot and bothered.

See why I call it Fatuous Hour? 😎

I think that deliberately trying to be a knob doesn't do anybody any favours mate.

What a hero.....