Cartridge comparison - Please have a listen

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Couldn't really tell as I listened on my work laptop with Form 2 headphones plugged in - if anything number 4 sounded good but all had some distortion and a bit harsh - most likely the laptop - will try on my mac and through pentas later.

I recently tried some other makes of cartridge in a Sansui deck, the best one was a Shure M75 and the worst a brand new Rega Carbon (supposedly a great cartridge and a bargain according to what hifi) - aim was to see if it was worth paying the extra for re-tipping on my MMC20EN - conclusion I reached was definitely worth it)

Interested to know if it was a radial or parallel tracking deck used.

 

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the feedback so far, I have made a new file that will hopefully more accurately reflect the differences in sound. The last file was first recorded to a Chrome cassette in my Beocord 9000 and then digitised. This file has been recorded directly to the computer.

I have uploaded it as a FLAC file as I understand this will sound as good as it gets.

Dropbox link-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/l6tyyizlwp04c60/Rolling%20Stones%20Cart%20Test.flac?dl=0

For non dropbox users - 

http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/497158/Rolling%20Stones%20Cart%20Test.flac

I will make a Classical one Sonavor but I'm not sure I have those LPs. I will however find something that I'm sure you will be familiar with.

Andrew the deck is a linear tracking BG8000. The recording is the last track on the LP in both instances. 

Thanks again!

Lee

 

 

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I like this latest sampling better but it hasn't made it any easier to distinguish the difference between samples. With this set of samples I still lean towards Track 3 as the one I prefer. The other tracks sound good too although Track 2 has a weird spot where it jumps forward in the track playback. To help confuse things more I put on a new, 180 gram reissue of the track through my Beogram 4000 (with an MMC-20CL) and a SACD version of the track from a Yamaha 2300 SACD player. Both sounded good of course but I think it would be hard for me to pick out the tracks from a blind listening test. I am going to route the samples through one more set of speakers, a pair of Yamaha NS-2000 monitors. 

-sonavor

I'll check the jump in the track. Maybe a recording issue on the PC. I did notice it slow down at one point so that's probably it.

I will make a classical one tomorrow. Beethovens 7th any good?

Lee

(Kate Bush sample)

For me it is track 4, then 1, 3 and lastly 2. 

Most of all it reminds me how good "digital" sounds if I compare the samples with the same song on (any) streaming service  ;-). 

Peter

Beethoven's 7th - Presto would be good I think.

The Rolling Stones track was good though. It has a good mixture of chorus through the Jagger vocal and guitar start to the band kicking in so a nice variation of things to latch on to and try to compare. I tried to focus in on the French horn and the sharpness of the little percussion parts to see if they would help me with the comparison but the more I listened, the harder it got. The sound samples did sound best this evening on my NS-2000 speakers. My computer has an Audigy sound card and I ran the output to a Yamaha CX2 preamp and on to an MX1000 power amp. The tracks sound so close but I still lean towards the last two tracks. Do you notice much difference in them? 

-sonavor

Put us out of our misery - which was which!!!? 😁

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Ok :-) here we go....

The first one was Peters original MMC20CL (well used).

The second one was my NOS MMC20CL from Axel (I until recently believed that Axel had rebuilt this one but it turns out its brand new so I suspect the suspension has gone stiff).

The third was a Shibata on aluminium cantilever rebuilt MMC20S by Axel.

And the 4th was a SMMC20EN by sound-smith.

I'm really not happy with my 20CL and it seems that sounded the worst to everyone else too. I have been in touch with Axel who has now built me one of his new top of the line naked shibata on boron 20CL carts which I expect to arrive later this week.

I will write a detailed report on all these cartridges including microscopic images of all the styli and audio measurements once I receive the new cart from Germany.

Id like to say a big thank you to Peter for kindly borrowing a selection of his cartridges to me for testing.

Stay tuned.

Lee

They all sounded similar to me with the first one being a little brighter.  

I would say

1st - best

4th - 2nd

3rd - third place

2nd - last.

But none sounded horrible.   I used my swans 2.1 near field monitors on my computer.  

Oh I also put them in audacity so you can see a visual on each cart.

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