Puncher wrote:

That would give an option of a used BS3 and a new Panasonic telly.

Can one of the mods open a Panasonic sub-forum please? :)

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moxxey wrote:

Puncher wrote:

That would give an option of a used BS3 and a new Panasonic telly.

Can one of the mods open a Panasonic sub-forum please? :)

Fair do's - I just thought, given your oft repeated remarks about the relative contributions of the BS3 and the actual panel toward picture quality, you may be willing to consider the competition rather than buying blind.............. nevermind.

As it happens I don't actually like the look of the BV12, I prefer the more minimal look without the shiny speaker bar.........I find it a little too garish, it makes me think of an after-market spoiler ruining the look of an otherwise perfectly decent car.

Puncher wrote:

Fair do's - I just thought, given your oft repeated remarks about the relative contributions of the BS3 and the actual panel toward picture quality, you may be willing to consider the competition rather than buying blind.............. nevermind.

I'm kidding (after the Apple request yesterday). But, no, I'd probably not go for a Panasonic, just yet. Plus, by the time I've bought the BS3 and the Panasonic display, the BV12 trade-in would only be a small additional fee - I'd rather pay that and have the BV12. I agree it's not to everyone's taste and I'm still not completely convinced myself. Will give it more thought.

For what it is worth i have not regretted buying the BV12 for a minute. Picture quality excellent, screen size right for room i have and a pleasure to look at whether turned on or off. Only small complaint would be the centre speaker where sound does not seem to come through as well as the BV9 did ....  TV programs with spoken word seems to be the issue and may be more to do with my cable service than the TV itself. The 3D performance and quality on DVD is incredible. If you can swing it financially go for it and enjoy.

I have the bv12 for 1 month now and can say the picture is fantastic, it´s look nice and thin compare to old bv4-65, but here some issues i have with it (not my ex, it´s the same on all bv12)

1. Sound from bv12 centerspeaker weak compare to bl7/bl10 specially with my bl5 as front (but the less volume on speaker that was not suprising)

2. In a cinema setup with speaker conected to bsys3 and audiomaster with no speaker, b&o have in  my opinion make a "frog"... the bv12 is always on !!! with a dark grey picture !!??, the reason in answer from denmark it´s because center speaker is powered from screen...?  (I never use the center for audio and don´t think anyone else do either)

and what are the effect on lifetime and powerconsuming then screen is always on with darkgrey picture if listen to my radio/cd...!

3. fans in bv12 make to much noise in my opinion (easily heard with normal sound level) then

used in summertime...

tompa wrote:

I have the bv12 for 1 month now and can say the picture is fantastic, it´s look nice and thin compare to old bv4-65, but here some issues i have with it 

Thanks for the feedback.

I also noticed that the centre speaker wasn't great, when I experienced my first BV12 demo. However, they had BL9s (and now BL5s) as front speakers and, I'll be fair, the entire experience was outstanding - visual and audio. So, that's less of an issue as it won't be any worse than the BV10 speaker and I'll be using it in combination with BL3s.

The BV12 does seem to get very warm. I've mentioned that twice to my dealer. Much warmer than my BV10. I can imagine it might struggle to keep cool if it's a warm summer's evening!

Do we know that the BV12 speaker isn't any worse than that of the BV10??

Puncher wrote:

Do we know that the BV12 speaker isn't any worse than that of the BV10??

It's only a basic centre speaker, Puncher. Basically, designed for voice etc. My dealer played the BV12 centre speaker on its own and there's no way that would hold up as the only speaker! BV12 is designed to have complimentary front speakers, at a minimum, whereas the BV10 can get away with the BV10 as it is.

If I do get the BV12 (and it's only an if), then I'd use my BL3s and BL1, with the BV12 centre.

Just an update on this. I decided against trading in my BV10-46 for the BV12 for various reasons, including:

1) It gets very warm. I remark on this every time I view the TV at my dealer. It's like a radiator. And their store is air conditioned!

2) It has a superior picture for everything but grass-based sport. I don't know why, but an LCD gives a sharper image for sport such as Wimbledon, football etc. It blends the grass too much for me. That's the downside of a plasma. And, as I watch a lot of football, the BV10-46 has a better picture in this scenario.

3) I can't get over the fact it's a £2500 retailing Panasonic plasma screen for £17,000. Now, I don't mind a bit of a markup, I can understand that it includes the BS3, but there's no way it's "worth" £17,000. Sorry guys, but it's not. Can't get my head around that. My dealer told me someone walked in at the weekend and bought one without question - but they don't know what I know and they're welcome to it.

4) I want to wait to see what happens with the updated BV10 and/or the BV11, which might replace the BV10. We'll know in a few months.