I'm trying to understand your soundproblem.

But if you only have just 2 speakers attached to front and the centre isn't used, you always have to use the SPEAKER 2 option.

You start the set and then via the Beo4 you give the speaker 2 instruction. Then the (Centre) dialog will be re-routed to the frontspeakers.

The standard speaker option is always 3-stereo if you have attached and installed the front speakers.

The panel option settings doesn't change your RGB in your VGA-video. It has probably more to do with the different (memory)adresses for brightness and contrast for active controlling.  

Lotus1 wrote:

 Then selected 2 via the beo4 (list, speakers) for front speakers in stereo and subwoofer (Beolab 2).  All works fine and tested OK with two more 4000's connected temporarily to the rear speakers.

 

Sorry for the above placed posting. Didn't read thoroughly.

Thanks for that Beobuddy,  both your comments have added understanding to 1: why the sound setting changes make a difference, rather than having to accept the BS2 has greater intelligence than me and 2: we can now procceed with concentarting on scalers or other convertors to upscale the 576P to something else the TV's will accept

I think i read somewhere that the serial interface was for the contrast / brightness of the BV4 and assume the Plasma panel info settings will be related to the serial port rather than the RGBHV port?  We are using loopback plugs but if anyone has an oscillicope and the time to watse this could be confirmed.

I have sent for a cheap VGA to HDMI convertor that claims being able to handle RGB at 50Hz, it has a D-sub connector in and Yp etc phono sockets - but no phono sockets for HV or mention of HV, i'll try it and if it works i'll update this thread with details of what it is.  If it doesn't work, rather than £200 + for a scaler i'll be satisfied with a 5" CRT to use the menus, if i can get one, i have nowhere for a full size monitor and it isn't likely i'll need to see what's happening volume wise once balance and sub level is set up.

Regards,   Martin

Why would you buy a scaler?

If you purchase a panel that can handle 50hz RGB through VGA, then you ready. It will scale the video-signal itself.

Panasonic uses a general procotol for controlling the commercial panels. The cheapest way is to find a D6 or higher (till D8 you can modify it yourself) and re-program by hand some settings inside the panel. Amongst the controlling instructions is the on/off instruction to switch the panel on/off.

Then the panel will be recognized by the system2.

Ok, next step taken.

Bought a commercial display from Panasonic TH-42PWD6, attached it via VGA and RS232 to the Beosystem 2...

... and it just works!

TV command starts on DECODER Scart (as programmed) and the panel is switched on.

Just bought a wall mount and a standard IR transmitter/blaster cable to integrate my Set Top Box. Those will be here sometime next week.

Will write a summary with pictures as soon as I finish this project.

By the way, we have a Beosystem 5500 in the same room that I would like to integrate for radio/cd. A Beolink Converter 1611 or 1614 should do the job, right?

I know I could very easily intregate a Beosound 3000 we use but as a collector I would love to keep the Beosystem 5500!

Thanks for all the help, great forum!

Ralf

kallasr wrote:

TV command starts on DECODER Scart (as programmed) and the panel is switched on.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

Normally the TV command starts the analog TV tuner inside the BS2.

You can download the (D6)panel manual from this site. In this manual is explained how to make the D6 a "real" B&O panel.

The service remote can be made by yourself from the original one. Just open the remote and make the smal holes.

But before you reprogram the panel, can you see (by using the original pana menu) the contrast and brightness being controlled by the ir-eye (only if you have a mkII or III) ?

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Hi Beobuddy, Thanks again for the good advice.  I had considered more than just displaying output from the BS2 (only) and these were my needs in priority order, and all 5 criteria had to be satisfied:

1; The TV had to be as close as possible in width as the Beolab 3500 mounted above it (it’s not a centre speaker or in the right place below the TV I know but all the other 3500’s are above doorways etc so having one below the TV was not wanted) The Samsung UE46C52100 is 1,107mm and the 3500 is 1,110mm.  That’s close and it looks great. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/product-description/B003DNSJ18/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=560798&s=electronics

2: I wanted a TV with high picture quality, longevity and a slim profile.  The edge of the TV can be seen going into the room so it had to be as thin as possible.  There is the possibility that CCTV camera images may be left displayed for days, saw this as a risk of burning a fixed image if it was a plasma.  Apart from that the BS2 would have to be on if the UHF modulated cameras were connected through the BS2, a plasma doesn’t always have a tuner, does it?  This would turn the Beolabs on unnecessarily and I would have to sort alternative attenuation or get hissing from no audio coming with the cameras, then not get audio from other sources if just displaying cameras.

3; I wanted to future proof the set up with as many input functions direct to the TV as possible, the UE46C5100 does that with 2 x USB’s, direct PC input (not having to disconnect the BS2 as it says in the manual) 4 x HDMI, scart, UHF / digital terrestrial Component, digital audio out, RJ45 network port and then a CI card slot!

4; I only bought the BS2 to enable Beolab 6000’s and a  Beolab 2 to be the speakers and to be able to play other sources like CD and radio from other rooms, I didn’t get bogged down with trying to get as good as possible HD through a “not sure if it can do that” TV, uncertainty of what and how was more risky to me than dealing with the certainty the UE46C5100 TV would work then dealing with getting the BS2 to work the speakers (I did my first post on just getting the BS2 to switch on)

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5; The SKY HD was in another room with an Avant so it was obvious the box would have to be located with the BS2 and within HDMI cable length of the UE TV.  Audio goes to BS2 decoder scart and video / audio to the TV via HDMI.  The remote eye works the SKY box fine and the BS2 menus.  All works fine except not being able to display the menus on the Samsung TV.   Using a PC monitor during trials at the moment and as far as I can see there might never be a need to change settings that need visual feedback like balance etc, once these are set comfortably.

I think I have done a good job and have the best of both worlds, if my cheap converter works then I have cracked it, haven’t I?  My reservations are myself not fully understanding HD possibilities of the BS2,  that by now may be medalling you I have ignored, there are many posts here that users ask this question, I haven’t got to a straight answer yet.

I admit these links are research after your last post but I think are valid: No HD connection on Panasonic TH-42PWD6 http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/545436-no-hdmi-connection-my-panasonic-th-42pwd6.html

That forum says full HD from a SKY HD box is not possible on Ralfs’ plasma because of  “HDCP” built into the pana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP

A depth of 100mm yes 100mm on the Panasonic plasma is no good to me http://www1.dealtime.co.uk/xPO-Panasonic-TH-46PZ80B The Samsung is only 30mm deep at it thickest part, looks like a sheet of glass at the outer edges - the part most prominent.

I fear this length of post may overlook the help Ralf wanted in his last post:

Could you help there please?  Regards,  Martin

Beobuddy wrote:

kallasr wrote:

TV command starts on DECODER Scart (as programmed) and the panel is switched on.

 

 

Can you explain what you mean by this?

Normally the TV command starts the analog TV tuner inside the BS2.

You can download the (D6)panel manual from this site. In this manual is explained how to make the D6 a "real" B&O panel.

The service remote can be made by yourself from the original one. Just open the remote and make the smal holes.

But before you reprogram the panel, can you see (by using the original pana menu) the contrast and brightness being controlled by the ir-eye (only if you have a mkII or III) ?

TV starts on analog tuner at startup, but in the settings I have just one analog programme and chose decoder yes. So it will use the STB/Decoder Scart. I just ordered a IR blaster and will change this to DTV STB as it arrives.

I will do test on the auto contrast etc. later this week and give feedback.

Will check the D6 service manual as well.

Ralf

Lotus1 wrote:

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5; The SKY HD was in another room with an Avant so it was obvious the box would have to be located with the BS2 and within HDMI cable length of the UE TV.  Audio goes to BS2 decoder scart and video / audio to the TV via HDMI.  The remote eye works the SKY box fine and the BS2 menus.  All works fine except not being able to display the menus on the Samsung TV.   Using a PC monitor during trials at the moment and as far as I can see there might never be a need to change settings that need visual feedback like balance etc, once these are set comfortably.

 

I think I have done a good job and have the best of both worlds, if my cheap converter works then I have cracked it, haven’t I?  My reservations are myself not fully understanding HD possibilities of the BS2,  that by now may be medalling you I have ignored, there are many posts here that users ask this question, I haven’t got to a straight answer yet.

 

I admit these links are research after your last post but I think are valid: No HD connection on Panasonic TH-42PWD6 http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/545436-no-hdmi-connection-my-panasonic-th-42pwd6.html

 

That forum says full HD from a SKY HD box is not possible on Ralfs’ plasma because of  “HDCP” built into the pana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP

 

A depth of 100mm yes 100mm on the Panasonic plasma is no good to me http://www1.dealtime.co.uk/xPO-Panasonic-TH-46PZ80B The Samsung is only 30mm deep at it thickest part, looks like a sheet of glass at the outer edges - the part most prominent.

 

It is a low-res plasma screen, 852 x 480 for TV NTSC/PAL signals.

As a secondary TV it is sufficient. We watch TV and recorded movies (PAL), using a Dreambox 7000 connected via Scart.

For HD there is a Pioneer Kuro with PS3, WD Live TV HD etc.

We could upgrade to a hi-res Plasma Screen and a Dreambox 800 HD (DVI to HDMI! - No HDCP issues!), but for the moment this seems to be a good solution. Paid 120 Euro for the display...

 Ralf