I don't know exactly when. There's a serial number somewhere in that link

Apparently, the 8002s are the ones with ICE amps, and they came to market in 2010 according to Beocentral.

Therefore it is a safe bet that the downgrade to two-way came long before the adaption of ICE amps, since the 8000s have been in production since 1992.

You say you "need" slim speakers, but the BL9s doesn't take up much more space than the 8000s, and I can't imagine a room where you could fit 8000s and not fit 9s.

BL8000 can be wall-mounted FYI, and are 15cm wide vs 40cm wide.  That's a big difference, esp. multiplied 2.  I can imagine it quite easily.

Electrified wrote:

 

You say you "need" slim speakers, but the BL9s doesn't take up much more space than the 8000s, and I can't imagine a room where you could fit 8000s and not fit 9s.

 

macjonny1 wrote:

BL8000 can be wall-mounted FYI

LOL, just in case they aren't booming enough with uncontrollable bass 👍

Well do keep in mind I will gladly trade mine for BL9s or BL5s!!!

My bass/crossover  is managed by my receiver and sent to my B&W subwoofer, so all is fine with Bass control.

macjonny1 wrote:

Except the BL 8000s are much better looking.  Of course that's an opinion...but BL5s belong on the set of Star Trek!  😁

I'm wondering if b&o will come with a  new loudspeaker to fill the gap between the beolab 3 and beolab 9?

Electrified wrote:

Jon wrote:

Electrified wrote:

The 8000 is  a"hybrid" design. It's not a true active.

Electrified, would you mind clarifying what exactly you mean in saying the BL8000 isn't a true active speaker? It uses an electronic line-level X-over, fed into a single, two-channel power amplifier - one channel for the tweeter, and one for the woofers. I assume this is your point of contention - the two-channel amp? While not ideal, that wouldn't disqualify it from being an active speaker. It still has a dedicated, direct connected channel of amplification for each drive unit/set of drive units.

No, an amplifier per unit is indeed what's needed to make a proper active design.

But an active design has more to do with crossovers and the amped units is a necessity following the choice of an active crossover, in that the crossover happens before the amplification at line level.

However, it didn't have each unit amplified as is common, it started out with having two of the units (the bass) amplified by a single unit, utilising a passive crossover for that part.

 

This from another site (beocentral) - my bolding:

In the earlier models one of the woofers was connected to the bass amplifier output via a simple passive filter so that it functioned as a midrange driver. This made the early Beolab 8000 a 3-way design with an unusual “hybrid passive-active” construction

When it comes to active subs, I need to differentiate between a powered one and an active. Although both will have amplifiers connected (lol), it's the crossover that dictates whether it will be an active or a passive design.

[...]those after No. 10145230, dispensed with the expensive crossover components and had both woofers wired in parallel, making the new models only a 2-way design. At the same time the electronic crossover filter was redesigned to include “adaptive bass linearisation”, a system that gave a bass lift at low listening levels. This was of course “loudness” by another name, although the method of applying it involved a complex electronic circuit that was sensitive to signal level rather than the position of the volume control of the main system. Although these changes increased the showroom impact of the Beolab 8000 at the point of purchase they made it a blunter instrument and less satisfying for the serious listener.

 

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Okay, I see what you mean. When you said the BL8000 "is" a hybrid, and "it's not" a true active design, it sounded like you were lumping in the most current iteration of the BL8000 (not the 8002) with that categorization as well.

That's interesting, and very odd I think, that B&O rolled the lows out of one of the drive units, instead of the highs out of the other. Sort of an inverted 2.5-way design. All the drawbacks of mid-band comb-filtering and lobing, without any of the advantages of extra radiating surface at low frequencies. Hmmm.😕

Electrified wrote:

When it comes to active subs, I need to differentiate between a powered one and an active. Although both will have amplifiers connected (lol), it's the crossover that dictates whether it will be an active or a passive design.

Obviously - but that was immaterial to what I was asking. The part of your statement that I didn't understand was this:

Electrified wrote:

If you want deep bass and connect a subwoofer to it, the sub will be making use of a passive crossover, whereas the rest of the speaker units employ active crossovers.

Why wouldn't you be able to use an active subwoofer with BL8000's? I don't get it...😕

Jon

macjonny1,

What crossover frequency did you set for your amp? I am currently using 100hz for my BL8000 and BL2

Thanks

chickenceo wrote:

macjonny1,

 

What crossover frequency did you set for your amp? I am currently using 100hz for my BL8000 and BL2

 

Thanks

I believe in the options of my Onkyo I left it at the "THX" setting which is 80hz.  Seems to work very well for music and movies.

valve1 wrote:

macjonny1 wrote:

Except the BL 8000s are much better looking.  Of course that's an opinion...but BL5s belong on the set of Star Trek!  😁

Another good reason to stick with the 8000s is you wont be getting a visit from the style police :)

or the neighbours!