BEOVISION ECLIPSE

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Could you maybe post a picture of the menu, where you (don’t) see it?

Generally speaking Adaptive Mode is what is used, if you haven’tvchanged anything.

Please look in the Sound Info, when you watch different programmes, what is listed there as active mode.

MM

Location: Flensborg————Danmark

AdamS wrote:

Generally, we love it. The picture is superb, the wireless interface with the BL90s and the rest of our stuff is faultless and it performs brilliantly. As an aside, the installation service from our dealer was superb and included hiding the cables inside the wall and re-plastering it. Very impressed!

Adam, please tell me you have the beolab 90’s wired and not in WiSa???
Millemissen wrote:

Could you maybe post a picture of the menu, where you (don’t) see it?

Generally speaking Adaptive Mode is what is used, if you haven’tvchanged anything.

Please look in the Sound Info, when you watch different programmes, what is listed there as active mode.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Adaptive mode is not a valid selection on Eclipse - (confirmed by B&O support):

Location: Copenhagen

Best regards
Dyssegaard
Mikipidia wrote:

Adam, please tell me you have the beolab 90’s wired and not in WiSa??? New: Beovision Harmony, Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beolab 17's, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound 1 Bronze edition, Beoplay M3, Beoplay A1.

Mikipedia on YouTube (finally )

https://www.youtube.com/c/Mikipedia

Old: Beovision Eclipse, Beolab 1's, Beolab 2, Beovision 10-46, Overture 2300, beolab 8000's, Beolab 4000's, Beovision avant 32" etc. etc.

How much of a difference does it make real world?
Chris Townsend wrote:

How much of a difference does it make real world? Beovision Eclipse, BeoLab 17,Beolit 15, Beoplay A2 Active

Same

I mean it has WISA for a reason. I would use WISA.
On the 50’s i recognise it immidiately in soundsignature. Also if you have nice 24bit 196khz files to play, it doesn’t anymore. But most importantly you only sort of AT BEST get half of the room compensation. I convinced Willie, my friend from our podcast to try it as he did the same and now he’ll never go back to wisa for 90’s. The difference imo is subtle but big enough to notice. They become way more refined when wired, even the 50’s do that in an audible way.
Cool thanks. I only ask because we are still so impressed with our 17s using WISA. Different grade of speaker I know.

Mikipidia wrote:
On the 50’s i recognise it immidiately in soundsignature. Also if you have nice 24bit 196khz files to play, it doesn’t anymore. But most importantly you only sort of AT BEST get half of the room compensation. I convinced Willie, my friend from our podcast to try it as he did the same and now he’ll never go back to wisa for 90’s. The difference imo is subtle but big enough to notice. They become way more refined when wired, even the 50’s do that in an audible way.

ok, thanks

What cables are you / Willstar using?  XLR or say PL?

Cheers

We both use Cat7 PL cables, I have no idea about brands on mine as they are generic but they works well.

btw this is what mr G, our speaker god had to say about what and why and how this works:

''In a normal operating mode (meaning, that the speaker is not running its room compensation measurements, for example... You're just sitting and listening to music...):

 

  1. If the input signal is analogue: The two audio channels are converted to 192/24 PCM by the 2-channel ADC in the Master loudspeaker. These two audio channels are both sent to the DSP in the Master loudspeaker and the DSP in the Slave speaker (via the DPL cable). This means that both audio channels are sent to the inputs of each loudspeaker's DSP.
  2. If the input signal is digital: The two audio channels are re-sampled to 192/24 PCM by the sampling rate converter in the Master loudspeaker. These two audio channels are both sent to the DSP in the Master loudspeaker and the DSP in the Slave speaker (via the DPL cable). This means that both audio channels are sent to the inputs of each loudspeaker's DSP.
  3. If the input signal is WiSA / WPL: Each loudspeaker individually receives a single digital audio channel from the WiSA receiver and sends it to its local DSP. This means that each loudspeaker's DSP receives only one audio channel at its input. There is no inter-speaker communication of the audio signal, even if the DPL cable is connected.

 

 

From there, each loudspeaker's DSP does its own signal processing, which includes (but is not exclusive to) (and in no particular order):

 

  • signal routing (aka Speaker Role)
  • gain (for Speaker Level and Volume)
  • delay (Speaker Distance and internal time alignment)
  • magnitude and phase correction for the individual drivers (equalisation)
  • directivity control
  • room compensation
  • other stuff

 

Each DSP then outputs one audio channel per driver (7 for the BL50, 18 for the BL90).

 

This "helicopter view" description is true of the BeoLab 90's and of the BeoLab 50's. There is no difference between the two loudspeaker models within the limitations of what I've described here.

 

One important thing to note here is the difference between WiSA/WPL and the other inputs. The ARC (Adaptive Room Compensation) algorithm in the BL50/90's uses both audio channels to create a single output channel for each loudspeaker's room compensation signal. In other words, the left loudspeaker is compensating for both the left and the right loudspeakers' interaction with the room. (Ditto for the right loudspeaker.) However, this is only possible if each loudspeaker gets both audio channels at its input - which is true for analogue and wired digital connections, but not for WiSA/WPL (see point #3 above). If you are using a WiSA/WPL connection, then a portion of the room compensation is not working, since each loudspeaker only receives one audio input channel.

So, for example, I have seen some "reviews" or comparisons done by people online where the 50's or 90's are connected to an audio source via the wireless connection. This means that the ARC algorithm is not doing everything it can  - and so the comparison may not be completely fair (assuming that the intention is to do a best-case-to-best-case A/B comparison). Whether or not this will affect the conclusions of the comparison is impossible to predict, since a 1 or 2 dB difference in listening level, or a change in loudspeaker and/or relative listening position will also influence the perceived sound.

Cheers
-geoff ''

 

Hope this helps, took me for ever to find it to back my claim up :p In my opinion in WiSa mode you loose one of the best things about the 50's and especially the 90's as with the 90's it has an even bigger impact on sound performance imho.

Anybody else that got a new "stand update" yesterday? When I started the TV its says new stand software installed. And after that I can't manage to get any sound . Under sound info it says: Input Dolby Audio 2.0 and on output 0.0.

The remote is also not working all the time and the stand won't go into standby mode.

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