Emil Jensen wrote:

I missed to many function, so for me the add on in price was justified.

Which functions did you miss if I may ask ?

moxxey wrote:

the likelihood of my local dealer closing down (which has happened recently)

In my case all the dealer staff would served me so well have been let go (some of whom I have known since 2002) ... so I am less inclined to pay the commission built into the B&O price to someone with whom I have had no relationship.

Emil Jensen wrote:

Loewe does a good job, but they do not have all the functions and do not use as expensive materiels.

 

Which particular material did you find in Loewe which is less than Eclipse ??. I own a Loewe 7.77 and have very closely looked at materials used in Eclipse & Loewe and find actually Eclipse has lower quality material in the back. Front is all screen so it does not matter as both ought to be the same.

On rotating floor stands, Loewe has very classy matte grey brushed Aluminum stand with best of class fit and finish. Of course I would still rate B&O stands "functionality" better than Loewe as B&O is 2 axis rotation versus Loewe is just sideways rotation.

svinaik wrote:

Emil Jensen wrote:

Loewe does a good job, but they do not have all the functions and do not use as expensive materiels.

 

Which particular material did you find in Loewe which is less than Eclipse ??. I own a Loewe 7.77 and have very closely looked at materials used in Eclipse & Loewe and find actually Eclipse has lower quality material in the back. Front is all screen so it does not matter as both ought to be the same.

On rotating floor stands, Loewe has very classy matte grey brushed Aluminum stand with best of class fit and finish. Of course I would still rate B&O stands "functionality" better than Loewe as B&O is 2 axis rotation versus Loewe is just sideways rotation.

The Soundcenter is made of Aluminium, very high standard, and it not really free to make.

The Bild 7 I did not find very appiling as the wool did not fit tight, at least not on the model I saw. Look at the BILD 9 and what it cost, materiel comes at a price.

Yes LOEWE stand is also very nice, but as you point out the two axle from B&O is better when it stand against the wall. 

I like this discussion very much and it is good to read and think about different views regarding the Eclipse.

What I sense we might have forgotten a bit is that B&O is actually a luxury brand, while Loewe (well, IMHO at least) is premium. And my take is that while premium you still buy with some value-for-money consideration, even if lesser then with a mainstream products, luxury stuff you buy because you can and you will and you love it and that's that. It is in higher percentage impulse-driven (didn't wanted to say: irrational) and I think comparisons between two categories with different paradigms are difficult to become conclusive as they are not 100% comparable. I don't know if that makes sense. :)

elephant wrote:

Emil Jensen wrote:

 

I missed to many function, so for me the add on in price was justified.

 

 

Which functions did you miss if I may ask ?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but what it seem to me I would miss:

The two axle stand,

Not a bad remote but a not at all as good as Beoremote One

Mybuttons, I have 4 on mine.

A better Center speaker to compliment my Beolab 20, Loewe was not that close.

A better Surround processor

PUC abilities, Always found CEC rubbish though giving it many chances. PUC just works.

Radio integrated, and Direct from the Beoremote One (Can also choose stations now from Beoremote one)

Bluetooth/Airplay so I can play music from my Phone, great funktion.

WiSa for my speakers

Alu materiel, I also have the Alu speaker front.

 

Again please correct me if Loewe have any of these.

AnalogPlanet wrote:

my take is that while premium you still buy with some value-for-money consideration, even if lesser then with a mainstream products, luxury stuff you buy because you can and you will and you love it

Your comment is fairly true but somewhere you are assuming that those who choose to buy Loewe (or Premium brand in your words) "cannot" buy B&O. It is quite the contrary at least for many of us who owns loads of top of the line B&O stuff but chose to go Loewe route on the OLED TV.

Despite the fact that I "Can" buy Eclipse (affordability wise), I "chose" not to buy Eclipse and it is nothing to do with "Branding". When I buy premium or Luxury brands, I do not close my eyes to the facts. If the Luxury brand does not cut it for me, then so be it. 

Your sentiments are in the right place but I just wanted to add some additional color.

svinaik wrote:

AnalogPlanet wrote:

my take is that while premium you still buy with some value-for-money consideration, even if lesser then with a mainstream products, luxury stuff you buy because you can and you will and you love it

Your comment is fairly true but somewhere you are assuming that those who choose to buy Loewe (or Premium brand in your words) "cannot" buy B&O. It is quite the contrary at least for many of us who owns loads of top of the line B&O stuff but chose to go Loewe route on the OLED TV.

Despite the fact that I "Can" buy Eclipse (affordability wise), I "chose" not to buy Eclipse and it is nothing to do with "Branding". When I buy premium or Luxury brands, I do not close my eyes to the facts. If the Luxury brand does not cut it for me, then so be it. 

Your sentiments are in the right place but I just wanted to add some additional color.

I agree that in many cases it is like that way as Analog Planet is saying,

But in my own case it sounds more like you svinaik. Just because you can buy, it is still interesting to find the right product and not just go into a lets say a B&O shop and pick out. At least I do a lot of reseach and normally I do not regret (My Samsung S8 though is a piece of #45%, back to IPhone next time)

In you case svinaik, how many chooses did you have? if you wanted a 77" then you could choose a AVANT 75, but thats LED and in my view not worth it when you can choose OLED.

Emil Jensen wrote:

In you case svinaik, how many chooses did you have? if you wanted a 77" then you could choose a AVANT 75, but thats LED and in my view not worth it when you can choose OLED.

Totally agree with you Emil...That is very true. LED 75 was not a choice for me at all.

To be honest, I did not start looking at 77 inch OLED but when I realized that I can get 77 inch Loewe at the same price as 65 Eclipse, any other thought was irrelevant for me.

In the end, we all are happy with our choices and that is most important.

elephant wrote:

moxxey wrote:

the likelihood of my local dealer closing down (which has happened recently)

In my case all the dealer staff would served me so well have been let go (some of whom I have known since 2002) ... so I am less inclined to pay the commission built into the B&O price to someone with whom I have had no relationship.

My Bath dealer has closed TWICE in 5 years! Seriously. So the original dealer went bust, with my (small) TV deposit. About a year later, the Cardiff brand opened a Bath store in the same location. Claimed they were going to do it better, differently and so on. They closed the Bath store this year.

So, you can see why, from a support and longevity perspective, I'm not completely convinced. Or not convinced enough to spend £10K on a TV.