Its not that hard, but requires some software capability, which they have been not good at.

Voice control i think makes the task easier.

It would be nice if any sound centre, by the time it is suggested to come in 2019, will be HDMI 2.1 capable. Not relevant now of course, but by late 2019 i imagine we will start to see 2.1 equipped hardware. Anyway, just a wish for future proofing to some degree.

Millemissen wrote:

svinaik wrote:

Millemissen wrote:

it might be possible to make a ‘new Sound Center’ to use with any 3rd party tv (which has ARC etc....).

If this is true, I am thrilled. Would love to add B&O Sound Center to my Loewe Set up. Loved the sound from B&O Sound Center from Eclipse and have been hoping against hope that B&O will offer their sound Center as stand alone offering. 

If you have any influence on them, please ask them to offer the rotating stand also in addition to the sound Center and then we can add whatever OLED screen fancies us.

We "haters" have been asking for this from day 1. 

 

I guess you noticed my ‘but’, which was important in this case!

If it was so easy, why didn’t they do that right away?

Why did they have to use ‘modified LG tv’s’ - and not just some from stock?

MM

Negative hat back on - because they get to charge a huge premium for supplying the tv!

Jeff wrote:

Wow, you took a simple question and turned it into a self absorbed, indignant, hissy fit, bless your little heart! You are pretty worthless to discus things with as all you want to do is try and put on a hair coat and whine about how no one takes you seriously. Well, say something deserving! I and most others find your bit tedious.

For example, more than a few months ago you were saying you definitely were going to buy an Eclipse, even gave a general time frame that's long passed. When it was mentioned that, given how fast B&O was dropping dealers in the US, you'd be lucky if he was still in business, to which you replied you had full confidence in the "pro partner" approach and would be buying from them if required.

Fast forward, and you fly off the handle when I ask you did you get one and how did pro partnering work out. You could have said, no, you haven't bought one either yet or ever and offered an explanation, maybe your Beovision whatever still looks good to you, maybe you don't want to spend the money, whatever, maybe you wanted to wait a bit and see if it got a new panel or to make sure some upgrades were in. But apparently sharing info is too much to ask. You could have take a few lines to state that your dealer is still around an apparently doing fine (which would be a Yay! moment given the pile of the slain dealers we've seen), or if you'd learned more about pro-partners.

Really, grow a sack of self confidence and just deal with it all, as it is you've become a whiner.

Jeff

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

Enough guys.

Lets not descend into he said, she said ( i know, i've been guilty here too!)

The Eclipse debate is the same today as it was a year ago - strong specs, less of a BV feel. Its a change from the past - some are comfortable with it, some not. I understand both points of view. 

Its not worthy of all this heat - that should be reserved for the Android BV's which were a true disaster.

Well, Raz my boy, I'm not about to get into a silly game of he said she said with you. If I was wrong, all you would have needed to do was say "I never said I was definitely buying one" without all the histrionics. Not that I think I am wrong, you do tend to have an imprecise conversational style, Captain Pedantic. 

Sandyb wrote:

Enough guys.

Lets not descend into he said, she said ( i know, i've been guilty here too!)

The Eclipse debate is the same today as it was a year ago - strong specs, less of a BV feel. Its a change from the past - some are comfortable with it, some not. I understand both points of view. 

Its not worthy of all this heat - that should be reserved for the Android BV's which were a true disaster.

 

All this heat should be reserved for something important, like the World Cup or who has the best beach babes or food.

One of the problem with TVs in the modern age is that they have become total commodities, same for much of consumer electronics, not much is truly aspirational anymore. With TVs this is partly due to the fact that video sources and tech have gotten so good, I think a lot of the old issues for custom video processing, due to a lot of VHS tape and SD sources having to be massaged to make them look good, have more or less vanished, though there can be issues with motion processing and such. Same with audio, when you find that mildly lossily compressed audio sounds the same as unprocessed audio for all but extreme cases, it makes a lot of the arguments for ever more fanatical and low level changes kind of silly, orienting your wires relatively to the earth's magnetic field seems pretty pointless if you can't reliably tell an AAC encoded file from a WAV one. It does make it harder for a company like B&O to make a truly aspirational product, The fact that this is all occurring at the same time B&O is suffering management and personnel problems we all have come to know about just makes it all the more difficult.

Jeff wrote:

Same with audio, when you find that mildly lossily compressed audio sounds the same as unprocessed audio for all but extreme cases, it makes a lot of the arguments for ever more fanatical and low level changes kind of silly,

Hi Jeff

Agree with you on overall basis but even in this time of ever improving basic stuff, there are ways for truly innovative companies to come out with differentiated products. 

Along with Home based system, I am also a portable sound fan and have to say that what company like SONY have done in that space (With very premium pricing) on the Walkmans 1A & 1Z and their headphones (1Z) is truly remarkable. They have in fact remade their business in premium segment in a world drowning in cheap players and IPods.

Giving in to competitive pressures and then follow into mediocrity is sure way to a downward spiral.

svinaik wrote:

Jeff wrote:

Same with audio, when you find that mildly lossily compressed audio sounds the same as unprocessed audio for all but extreme cases, it makes a lot of the arguments for ever more fanatical and low level changes kind of silly,

Hi Jeff

Agree with you on overall basis but even in this time of ever improving basic stuff, there are ways for truly innovative companies to come out with differentiated products. 

Along with Home based system, I am also a portable sound fan and have to say that what company like SONY have done in that space (With very premium pricing) on the Walkmans 1A & 1Z and their headphones (1Z) is truly remarkable. They have in fact remade their business in premium segment in a world drowning in cheap players and IPods.

Giving in to competitive pressures and then follow into mediocrity is sure way to a downward spiral.

You make excellent points, it can be done, but the way B&O has been doing it has death spiral written all over it. One thing I give credit to Sony for is they pick a technology and truly get behind it, if it fails, they walk away but are still willing to take a risk.

Broadly agree of course, and i think most understand the bigger picture shifts.

That they haven't made a better fist of trying is of course disappointing. 

Could they have remained competitive with respect to maintaining their video processing capability? Who knows. That area isnt quite commodified yet, as Sony's X1 Extreme has shown, but i concede the differences aren't huge.

Broader design trends have worked against them though - televisions as glass rectangles leaves little scope, and less physical media also undermines their edge.

The other advantage they had in terms of multi- room and home control and automation is also going to completely disappear for obvious reasons.

I dont have much sympathy for the structural defenders of B&O - i get the loyalty aspect, thats to be admired. 

We all have i'm sure lovely setups with plenty of B&O stuff working harmoniously - the issue / question with all these back and forth is that if we all started from scratch with zero, B&O's current offering wouldn't be able to replicate everything we have - some specs might be better of course, but we'd all lose out in terms of design classicism, timelessness, seamless interoperability.

I suspect if we're being honest with ourselves, we'd end up with less new B&O stuff than we had just thrown away in my start from scratch scenarios.

Havent completely given up hope they can offer some interesting products, but have to be realistic.

svinaik wrote:

Giving in to competitive pressures and then follow into mediocrity is sure way to a downward spiral.

That - exactly - is the reason, why we can not predict, what may come from Struer/B&O.

I am looking forward to what may come for us (or some of us).

MM