Razlaw wrote:

Jeff wrote:

 

Wait, I thought you were lined up and chomping at the bit to order one through your "Pro Partner" locally. What happened?

 

Jeff

 

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

 

 

I knew it would not take long for you to jump in and prove my points.

 

1. You had to sarcastically attack me for saying something that could be construed as positive about B and O.

 

2. You also proved my point that you and others who like to attack will read things into posts that are not there. At no time did I ever say I was buying an Eclipse or that I would buy it from a pro partner. I am very happy with my dealer.

 

But I know you are never one to let facts get in the way of you having yet another senseless temper tantrum.

Wow, you took a simple question and turned it into a self absorbed, indignant, hissy fit, bless your little heart! You are pretty worthless to discus things with as all you want to do is try and put on a hair coat and whine about how no one takes you seriously. Well, say something deserving! I and most others find your bit tedious.

For example, more than a few months ago you were saying you definitely were going to buy an Eclipse, even gave a general time frame that's long passed. When it was mentioned that, given how fast B&O was dropping dealers in the US, you'd be lucky if he was still in business, to which you replied you had full confidence in the "pro partner" approach and would be buying from them if required.

Fast forward, and you fly off the handle when I ask you did you get one and how did pro partnering work out. You could have said, no, you haven't bought one either yet or ever and offered an explanation, maybe your Beovision whatever still looks good to you, maybe you don't want to spend the money, whatever, maybe you wanted to wait a bit and see if it got a new panel or to make sure some upgrades were in. But apparently sharing info is too much to ask. You could have take a few lines to state that your dealer is still around an apparently doing fine (which would be a Yay! moment given the pile of the slain dealers we've seen), or if you'd learned more about pro-partners.

Really, grow a sack of self confidence and just deal with it all, as it is you've become a whiner.

Mikipedia wrote:

Hi, right here i regret buying it instead of a second hand bv11-55. Imho the eclipse is not a total shitshow but it’s not far away from it.

This is obvisouly judged by b&o standards, not the lg ones. However there are a lot of fixes/updates for oem lg c7’s that we don’t have on the eclipse.

MY BUTTONS...

My comments are about internal workings only as i do like the exterior. Also the picture itself is fine too. But yeah, there is a lack of actual quality for the price, but...

Well never mind, iam stuck with it now New: Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beovision eclipse.

Mikipedi4 on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/c/mikipedi4

Old: Beolab 1's, beolab 2, beovision 10-46, overture 2300, beolab 8000's, beolab 4000's, beovision avant 32" etc. etc.

For me the MyButtons are not insignificant as a broken functionality, and break the workflow / usability of a BV. Of course they may get fixed, but until then that judgement still applies.

Also not being able to select sources on screen, and only on the remote is odd, and the hybrid product becomes a little incoherent - it's clear that one has bought two separate things to a degree. It may be the inevitable future, in which case split them out and allow the customer to chose their screen.

In addition, the OS update gap may be small now, but may grow to the point of annoyance (possibly), so early to cast that aside as insignificant.

There will be a good deal of existing customers for whom the Eclipse is less of a BV than whatever they have, and like myself, voted with your feet  / wallets. And yes, some of us have spent time with the Eclipse, so our views are not just sniping from the sidelines.

The proof, if any exists, will be in their sales, and i'd read an exit from BV's by B&O post the Eclipse (as is suggested in 2019) as not a great sign of success.

Their track record has not been good recently, though my BV 12-65 was missing nothing and pretty flawless out of the box.

Fidse wrote:

but when was the last time B&O released a tv with no lacks or flaws on the release? The original Avant? 😁

For me it was BV9-50. It was everything what makes a person aspire for B&O. Design, Integration, interface, Sound, Picture above anyone at that time and so on and so forth. 

I still have it and refuse to part with it even though my dealer was enticing me with some offers for my BV9 & BL5.

For me personally, I love the BV9+BL5 just as much as my Loewe 7+BL50. Of course, with time, Loewe + BL50 are way ahead in sound and quality but still there was that originality about BV9 & BL5. Perhaps we will never see that creativity again.

BeoVision's have generally been working as intended when released - but this ended with the 12-65 and the Avant-75/85 mk1 (the Avant 55 mk1 had some issues, all mk2 Avant's came with the Android platform and some cut-cost solutions that made them far from flawless).

I do understand that technology moves so fast that B&O is heading in a direction where you can dock a generic LG screen. But, to me, B&O should provide more integrated solutions as there must be customers willing to pay for this type of excellence... A Toyota may be more reliable, standardized, designed to cost and field proven compared to an Aston Martin. But there still is a market for Aston Martin, even with AMG engines and MB infotainment.

Roger

Indeed, and i wonder how the Aston customers of old have responded to that? Perhaps they are OK with it, as the reviews tend say that Aston have applied some of their signature to the bought in engine, which B&O haven't with the Eclipse. So while the new Vantage perhaps isn't a pure Aston, the work they have done with that engine is sufficient to make the Vantage as a whole appear coherent. Which is the oversight on the part of B&O with the Eclipse.

I have a genuine question - with the exception of the new plastic back, just how "stock" is the C7 TV used for the Eclipse?

For example - are B&O menus added as an overlay to the hmdi arc stream within the Soundcentre or are they in the TV firmware? 

Someone mentioned the other day that they can connect to the Eclipse using the LG phone app - are any of the missing features or updates available when accessed by app rather than B&O remote?

I ask because I want to know what eclipse functionality can actually still be achieved with a new sound centre design for use with a generic (or selected from a limited range) of 3rd party, off the shelf tv's using HDMI arc. etc

Sandyb wrote:

Indeed, and i wonder how the Aston customers of old have responded to that? Perhaps they are OK with it, as the reviews tend say that Aston have applied some of their signature to the bought in engine, which B&O haven't with the Eclipse. So while the new Vantage perhaps isn't a pure Aston, the work they have done with that engine is sufficient to make the Vantage as a whole appear coherent. Which is the oversight on the part of B&O with the Eclipse.

Respecting this is a thread about Eclipse we tread lightly, so I will acknowledge the BeoWorld survey proves the Eclipse is a great TV loved my the vast majority of owners and those who have experienced it enough to love it. B&O are so proud of it they have surrendered the TV business. I am sure they will explain that as Eclipse having served its role as development platform for a future range of outstanding soundbars possessing varying levels of built-in audio features, including multi-room. I think we all hope that this, BeoPlay, and Speakers will be a business that does well enough to stay in the tech and style conversation for many years. 

I trust B&O will honor their final TV customers with years of support and parts so they don't end up feeling like they donated their wallets to science. 

Ha!

The Beoworld survey proves only that the Eclipse was divisive - anything beyond that is speculation, though like you i can't draw any positive reflections on it from any impending departure from the TV business.

No issue with the specs by and large, though i do have issues with how it was put together / lack of coherence. 

Puncher wrote:

I ask because I want to know what eclipse functionality can actually still be achieved with a new sound centre design for use with a generic (or selected from a limited range) of 3rd party, off the shelf tv's using HDMI arc. etc

Indeed this question has been asked before a while ago - and not answered.

Probably noone has had the possibility.....or the guts to make this experiment.

Maybe Fidse, who just wrote that he has a C7 in his bedroom, could do it ;-)))

As far as I know, it won’t work - but I can’t prove it.

This aside - it might be possible to make a ‘new Sound Center’ to use with any 3rd party tv (which has ARC etc....).

That exactly is, what is rumoured.......but we will still have to see how much ‘B&O functionallity’ will be left then.

MM