As far as personal remarks, there are very few in 55 pages on this thread, though there are a lot of praises and complaints regarding the Eclipse and B&O strategy. As a small property developer I am used to the drama that happens making a nice building. Some of the complaints came from the very people who recently said they had no problems. One in particular had scathing comments regarding B&O and I am glad they kissed and made up. Others stated inside knowledge that dealers were unhappy with Eclipse and that B&O no longer had interest in the TV business.

I have never seen a comment insulting a person's choice of product or home decor. I actually got a chuckle from the hornet nest comment and it was pointed at me. 

I for one am always happy that people are happy (unless it is the American president; then I worry a little). That is an emotion and has nothing to do with the doings of a manufacturing corporation of any kind. My advanced training placed me in manufacturing until it went global, then 3rd world. Then I had to do what I had to do to survive, including changing country and carrying a hammer. B&O has done the same thing, but they don't seem to be as candor about it, and they sold their tools. 

If a poodle is starving, he will eat his own *** to survive. I guess sheep don't. 

not sure he said it was useless?

Take a deep breath everyone - its clearly not a pig of a TV, but its been divisive to an extent for well rehearsed lack of B&O feel reasons.

The Android TV's perhaps merit some derision, the Eclipse though is more of a curio vis a vis some of B&O's better BV's in the past.

I've said many times before that every high end TV comes with compromises these days - even with the Loewe, i'd give up the multi-room functionality i have now for example. And there are issues that require thought with high end OLED's from Sony (Android), Panasonic (no DV, limited OS), etc.

Perhaps there are too many boxes to tick to easily justify a TV of 4/5K or higher. While many would love the TV brands to just make a dumb TV with the latest panel tech and strong video processing, they simply aren't going to do that. The broader market and multiplicity of streaming sources points towards simpler setups of a smart TV and a sound bar. Perhaps in a couple of years when the TV / video standards settle down, someone will knock it out of the park with a killer TV.

**Side note, the thread on integrating Loewe with Beolabs was very useful and worthwhile to me, for the record. 

phirstpro wrote:

Oh joy. There you go again. “Nothing wrong if you and a few other”

Here you Go Again too... 🙂 See the anger is just an echo chamber... You get what you give. 

All I was saying was that instead of taking anyone's comments personally, let's just agree that there are 2 very strong camps who either believe in Eclipse or not. One thing this forum does prove is that we are all very passionate about B&O and I only wish that B&O was also as passionate about us, the customers, which I am have lost any confidence in.(at least from Beovision side) .

The reason I have been on this forum is simple, to exchange our ideas and inform each other. good and bad. Forum are not meant for any kind of Fan boys and hate boys personal dictates. 

On that note, BTW, is this forum your personal property and you can dictate whatever your wishes are

Chill out and you will love your Eclipse even more.....Let me know if you want to learn anything about B&O & Loewe combination as I had started that discussion and was totally productive.

Fidse wrote:

Where are the actual Eclipse owners, who have regretted their purchase?

I think they are hard to find....

Hi, right here 😎 i regret buying it instead of a second hand bv11-55. Imho the eclipse is not a total shitshow but it’s not far away from it.

This is obvisouly judged by b&o standards, not the lg ones. However there are a lot of fixes/updates for oem lg c7’s that we don’t have on the eclipse.

MY BUTTONS...

My comments are about internal workings only as i do like the exterior. Also the picture itself is fine too. But yeah, there is a lack of actual quality for the price, but...

Well never mind, iam stuck with it now

Finally, the Eclipse has addressed a major fundamental flaw. The board in the sound centre has been replaced. Apple 4kTv and high end 4K Blu Rayer players now can be used to their full potential. Apple TV 4K is set to 4K Dolby Vision 50 Hz and gone are intermittent snowstorm pictures. Instead switching to this mode shows a fabulous picture.

The Panasonic DP UB820 shows equally stunning views.

Yes its taken 9 months and yes their are other issues to resolve, but at least now the Audio Visual function of the TV can be fully appreciated.

Was it worth the wait?  IMO... yes

But these should have been resolved before general release.

But thats B&O and it hasn't changed in 25 years of my purchases.

But the picture and sound now put the Eclipse at the top of the tree ... even with its C7 screen!

 

The "problem" with the Eclipse is that it's just a marvelous B&O sound system (in fact it's like a BS Core, with DLNA, Airplay (2), Deezer, NL...)) glued to a standard LG TV, which means that you have B&O sound, great OLED image, but cheap interface without the iconic curtains...

We know this from day one, and people who bought the Eclipse were knowing that. So if this is ok for buyers, it will be ok for them for many years. And if it's not ok for you, there are other solutions. 

What is interesting is that finally B&O didn't cheat at any time, announcing features that are not on the product, or things that should work that doesn't in your product at home... Some people here say that the BV14 is the last true B&O TV : ok, it has the curtains, the iconic BV9/10/11 design and some glass... But with its Android OS, it's not working as it should!!! For once, the Eclipse is a stable product that works as advertised, so I don't see why buyer should regret to have bought it : I see more regret for people that bought a BV14 hoping it will display TV without bugs...

Personnaly I was also hoping there would be a "B&O interface skin" to the LG OS, but I'm quite sure that if I find a good deal on a new or used Eclipse, I could jump and replace my BV8 with it!

svinaik wrote:

phirstpro wrote:

Oh joy. There you go again. “Nothing wrong if you and a few other”

Here you Go Again too... 🙂 See the anger is just an echo chamber... You get what you give. 

All I was saying was that instead of taking anyone's comments personally, let's just agree that there are 2 very strong camps who either believe in Eclipse or not. One thing this forum does prove is that we are all very passionate about B&O and I only wish that B&O was also as passionate about us, the customers, which I am have lost any confidence in.(at least from Beovision side) .

The reason I have been on this forum is simple, to exchange our ideas and inform each other. good and bad. Forum are not meant for any kind of Fan boys and hate boys personal dictates. 

On that note, BTW, is this forum your personal property and you can dictate whatever your wishes are

Chill out and you will love your Eclipse even more.....Let me know if you want to learn anything about B&O & Loewe combination as I had started that discussion and was totally productive.

For your information I don’t take any comments posted on this forum personally, after all I didn’t make or sell the BV Eclipse I just own one. Neither do I own this forum and consequently do not, for one minute, expect to dictate my wishes. I am however entitled to politely share my views and contribute where I consider it to be constructive.  

I am however, a happy and chilled out owner unlike yourself it seems, by your own admission, have “lost any confidence” in BV products (sorry, was that to personal for you?).

I am also quite happy to get what I give as long as it’s based on fact and not fiction or phantasy.  It seems to me that I am not alone in my thinking about the direction this forum is currently being driven by the minority and I am appreciative of those who have also voiced their opinions.

BTW. Anger is such a negative thing.  It tends to trample all over constructive thinking and prohibits reasoned thought and consideration. It’s something I strive to avoid.

I wish you well my friend and really hope you are content with your life’s decisions. I know I am.

 

Many thanks to those who - after all - took the plunge to post their sentiments on the BV Eclipse!

Seems that - after all - the bigger part of the buyers are happy with their tv purchase.

My dealer told me today, that they are selling quite well - and that people have stoppet to ask for the form-factor-tv’s BV10/11/14.

We may have different opinions - my only wish is, that those who critize the Eclipse/the concept of it, will do that after having (some kind of) personal experience with it.

That should seem fair!

 

The more I think about it, I may very well buy one........if and when my beloved Avant55/2014 will decide to say farewell (may it live long) , and the prize of a (preloved) 65” Eclipse will be within my financial reach.

Untill then I’ll admire the picture and sound quality of it, whenever I can.......and have time to get used to the missing curtains ;-)))

P.S. I fear (read: hope), that - by then - we will already see the new mLEDs/MicroLED- based tv’s.....and will start a new discussion.

 

MM

Fair enough of course

For the record I have played with the Eclipse a fair few times, so any thoughts or critique expressed is not vapor ware. It is a different prospect to me than some previous and well regarded BV's.

Is it special enough to me to justify the cost? Not to me, but each to their own.

Just so that Fan boys do not think of us in the other camp as one dimensional.....🙂

 

Things I do like about Eclipse in that order.

1. Sound Bar (Nothing in the world can match up as pure TV sound). 

2. Design (Sound Bar at the bottom is cool). I would have preferred the sound bar length to be within TV dimensions but not a big deal. It is still beautiful.

3. OLED picture (This is not Eclipse unique feature but since I am on a positive trip about Eclipse, it deserves to be mentioned)

4. B&O Stand (It has always been my favorite). In fact I wanted the Avant so much just for the stand.

And I will mention nothing of what I do not like.... How about that...