Razlaw wrote:

Millemissen wrote:

 

 

Maybe the content owners just don’t fancy joining the conversation here......in this hornet’s nest.

 

They are sure to be stung immediately.

 

Maybe they prefer spending their time watching and listening to their BV Eclipse ;-)

 

MM

 

 

 

 

So very true. While I am not an Eclipse owner, I am a very content B and O owner with multiple products. I stopped posting here sometime ago because any positive comment I made was attacked, or stung. Sometimes I would post a totally neutral fact/comment and people would twist into something it was not, so that they could attack me for being positive about B and O. I have no problem believing that content Eclipse owners choose not to post.

 

Wait, I thought you were lined up and chomping at the bit to order one through your "Pro Partner" locally. What happened?

If the Eclipse is the last BV, then that should be evidence enough.

Moreover, that they may be even thinking about this being the last BV may also be sufficient evidence.

But if actually confirmed as the last, then there will be little or no way to argue that they've done a good job, all things considered. A lot of the damage i feel was done by the Android TV's, which were much more troubled than the Eclipse. Look at AV reviews of the Sony TV's - many reviewers have trouble recommending the Sonys simply due to the Android OS. 

Some will put down B&O difficulties in the TV space as down to fast moving tech and standards. I'm not so sympathetic. The move to 4K and HDR, the move to higher audio formats for video, and requirement to integrate 3rd party services / apps onto the TV platform - all challenges no doubt, especially for a smaller player, but not in the end that insurmountable.

All these changes though have exposed both the decision to lose the video department, and exposed the poor software DNA - both B&O specific issues.

Let's hope they can rectify, not that signs point that way.

 

Jeff wrote:

Millemissen wrote:

Quite a lot Eclipse owners seem to be happy with their tv.

Please name me a tv, that - from an owerall point of view - comes near to a BV Eclipse.

MM

Well, my mother-in-law briefly had a Sanyo POS that was about as infuriating on updates and s/w issues as the Eclipse, but since by comparison it was almost free I guess that isn't exactly the same.

As for number who like/hate it, vs. perhaps the number of people who will come and rave in favor of it regardless of if it's working well or not, because they can't admit they bought a pig in a poke and are still desperately trying to put lipstick on said pig through the small hole in the poke, well, hard to know for sure but I have my opinions.

 

I am a very long term B&O owner and have owned many Beovision (who’s screens were not made by B&O) and Beolab products over the years plus several other B&O products.  I did buy a “pig a poke” to quote you, but it wasn’t the fantastic Eclipse.  It was in fact one of the last B&O Beovision products namely the BV 14.  After three replacement units and umpteen visits from the engineers I happily traded it in for the Eclipse.  Doing so has been a completely different experience to the BV14. It has not reported numerous “non faults”, it has not switched itself on in the middle of the night. Nor has it crashed out just because it felt like.

I, like many other owners (who are not members of this group) am quite delighted with the Eclipse. I don’t really care that it’s a ”compromise” and uses some of the best technology that a major developer and manufacturer can produce. In doing so it means I get a terrific picture and fabulous sound, especially when I hook up my wonderful B&O speakers and get seamless interaction all controlled by a single world leading remote. I can control my Sky Q, Apple TV and my Blue-ray player plus adjust all the various sound parameters without having to reach for another remote control. I have full control over Netflix and Amazon too.

I initially returned to this forum when I was experiencing problems with the BV 14 and I have been interested to follow the views of Eclipse owners. I have, however, realised that the majority of “comments” and posts are by people who do not own an Eclipse and seek every opportunity to criticise it (and their owners).  I really find it hard to determine how anyone who is unable to draw upon personal experience can make such bold statements and deride a product. I can only assume it’s some kind of jealousy thing.

I also think those who seek to promote Lowe products with some tenacity should desist in posting here and vent there feelings elsewhere. 

I am under no illusion that B&O have made mistakes in the past and has a turbulent future if it is to survive in the current marketplace. I have no doubt that the current management at B&O are also acutely aware of that. If a company is to survive it must change to meet the needs of many not just the few and that’s why collaboration with some of the top manufacturers is the smart thing to do.  I’m sure plenty (on this forum) would deride B&O if they made sub competitive screens again!   

Well that’s me done, I have expressed my views and will leave this forum in the near future as it does not, in my opinion, serve the true function of a forum.  It does not inform.  It does not support. It does not encourage or share positively.

I wish you well.

Phirstpro

 

Jeff wrote:

Wait, I thought you were lined up and chomping at the bit to order one through your "Pro Partner" locally. What happened?

Jeff

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

I knew it would not take long for you to jump in and prove my points.

1. You had to sarcastically attack me for saying something that could be construed as positive about B and O.

2. You also proved my point that you and others who like to attack will read things into posts that are not there. At no time did I ever say I was buying an Eclipse or that I would buy it from a pro partner. I am very happy with my dealer.

But I know you are never one to let facts get in the way of you having yet another senseless temper tantrum.

I guess I have to step up and "desperately put lipstick on my pig": 

I love my Eclipse.  It sounds great.  It looks great (on and off).  Looks fantastic quietly swinging out from the wall when I turn it on (and swinging back when I turn it off).  While on, it gives the illusion of floating in mid-air.  No visible ugly boxes or even cables.  I can listen to it in other parts of the house (works great for baseball games), control everything with one remote (and a phone app).  My family loves it.  My kids (19 and 21) say it's the first B&O product that I've bought that is "easy to use" (I can understand their criticism of the BS5, but not the BV8 or BS9000, but that's their opinion).  100% would buy it again.

I was going to post pictures after the install was complete (took a while to get the wall painted), but decided why bother?  People will probably criticize my wall color or choice of lamp, and, or course, the TV.

I suppose I just outed myself as a fool to the vocal minority on this site so take that into consideration when considering my other comments 😎

Stan

There is nothing wrong if you and few other Like the Eclipse just as there is nothing wrong in others calling it useless. We all vote with our money and that is all that matters. Problems happen when we take it personally as a judgement by others .

Enjoy your eclipse as I enjoy my Loewe 7 ( with BL 50) 

Hi, I will also join those who are positiv to Eclipse. I like my Eclipse very much. Both estecially and

function is the best tv since Beovision 7-55 mark2.

Best regards

Martin

svinaik wrote:

Stan

There is nothing wrong if you and few other Like the Eclipse just as there is nothing wrong in others calling it useless. We all vote with our money and that is all that matters. Problems happen when we take it personally as a judgement by others .

Enjoy your eclipse as I enjoy my Loewe 7 ( with BL 50) 

Oh joy. There you go again. “Nothing wrong if you and a few other”. I would like to know where exactly you get your statistics from to enable you to make such a statement. Further more if you don’t (or can’t afford) to own one how on earth can you say with any authority that it’s useless?

finally, if your so content with your Loewe 7 (with BL 50) why are you posting on this forum anyway? 

Just saying!

phirstpro wrote:

Oh joy. There you go again. “Nothing wrong if you and a few other”. I would like to know where exactly you get your statistics from to enable you to make such a statement. Further more if you don’t (or can’t afford) to own one how on earth can you say with any authority that it’s useless?

finally, if your so content with your Loewe 7 (with BL 50) why are you posting on this forum anyway?

Just saying!

+1

Where are the actual Eclipse owners, who have regretted their purchase?

I think they are hard to find....