Sandyb wrote:

Thats all fine, though the margins on TV's industry wide are much much lower than that.

Analysts impute the iPhone margin at close to 50%, and thats Apple with all its advantages (scale, manufacturing and design chops, outstanding supply chain management, halo product pricing power). In the TV industry margins have been much closer to single digits, and my B&O dealer has for years been told the the BV margins are on the thin side of that.

So, its no surprise that they continue to scale back their TV ambitions.

Loewe,for all their recent revival, may also succumb to to the same economics in a few years time, though hopefully not.

Otherwise, i agree that they should proceed in the way you suggest.

I can live with losing a BV television - but i want a single physical remote that is worthy of B&O. I do fear that they wont happen, as they assume tablets and phones can do the job.

In the meantime, i will continue to pray on a daily basis that my 12-65 and Avant (MK1) see me through the next few years.

Yes, indeed, i'll pass on your best wishes to my two BV's!

With respect to sound bars / centres, while they could definitely succeed, the issue as ever will be ensuring seamless integration with B&O speakers (the easy bit), and other sources (the harder bit). Lets hope they are up to the software challenge.

It does leave the open question of a Beoremote - is one needed for a Sound centre?

Yes, if it controls other sources in the same way as now. 

but i'm not sure which was they'll go on this - after all, look at the Eclipse, the Beoreomote offers very compromised control of the LG GUI, and certainly no voice.

So i have no idea whether they'll make a sound-bar with the same scope as others (sources connected to TV), OR if its a Beosystem 5 + Sound Centre package (sources connected to the B&O package).

Anyway, I'm glad i dont feel the need for an HDR TV yet - as what i want doesn't exist, in the same way that my 12-65 did at purchase.

I'd love Sony's tone mapping and motion processing (but not Android, nor the underpowered chipsets in Sonys TVs), Loewe's GUI, and B&O sound.

KMA wrote:

@poodleboy

 

 

It'll be interesting to watch what happens.

 

 

The news brought on by Roger actually made me unusually hopeful for B&O – a brand I love, yet I have given up most of their products for now.

 

 

Perhaps B&O will be daring and sell the "SoundBarCenter" at €2.750 – with a motorized stand I'd consider it a bargain. I'm soon upgrading to LG C8 OLED (from my C7, which the Eclipse has) and would very much like to mount it on a B&O SoundBarCenter floor stand!

That is a bit optimistic, for that price you can get the motorized stand, and the Alu fret, no SoundCenter 😂 Thing are expensive, and as one there have had LG and now have a Eclipse I do not doubt where the money have gone, I do not feel ripped off in any means.

As another pointed out, just the remote is worth a lot, it is just a perfekt tool for your av. Works far better then any universal remote I have ever tried, and defiantly way better then the LG magic remote.

Just pulled the trigger on a 65.

Delivery in a week!

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Mr 10Percent wrote:

Just pulled the trigger on a 65.

Delivery in a week!

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A challenge with the €3000 soundbar is that the "general public" thinks an $800 sound bar is expensive.  Once again, B&O will still be 5x expensive than Sonos (for example)... and there's definitely no motorized stand at that price point either.

Honestly, I was hoping for an elegant, motorized soundbar, but needed a new TV so I went with the Eclipse.  I'm very happy with it.

Perhaps B&O really decides to make motorized soundbar/stand and soundbar/wallmount with possibility to attach 3rd party TV... ...I can imagine people being interested outside of this B&O enthusiast forum. You get great sound, wonderful mobility of your TV, elegant look, premium build etc... and (!) it could allow B&O to shine where they are most competent: quality of sound complemented with beautiful design. Fingers crossed.

You couldn't have put it in better words KMA. I had an Eclipse, luckily got rid of it and now I have the Avant MKI on the way yet once again. Eclipse is a sell out of the B&O's soul. No curtains, awful menus, SW issues beyond belief, let alone the HW issues with DSSE board replacement on basically all the early models. I have one of the luckiest V1-32's in the world (as it would think to itself) connected to the BeoLab 90's. It works more reliably than the Eclipse.

When I first got the Eclipse, it would not connect to the Atlona Matrix out of the box. I had to request special SW via S/N on my TV. Got it all working just to find out that the PUC tool B&O Released after I don't even know how many years of begging DOES not work on this TV. Reason why I'm "chafed" about that is particularly that all PUC files are essentially catered to the Beo4 of all species, not BR1. GUIDE & INFO buttons have no function in some cases (that were editable via this application) and I'm not even going to go to the "My Buttons" as that is another frustrating issue to altogether.

Being around this product for over 23 years, I'm in tears...