moxxey wrote:

Jeff wrote:

You make a good point. The reason it bothers me, what B&O is doing lately, is that for decades B&O was the only firm to do what they did, and they ain't doing it no more as they say. I have deeply loved the brand...

Also, I'll add that people do not know your history, either. People make comments on here, but I remember your old posts Jeff - you were one of the most positive people on this forum and a big advocate of the brand, in the States. People overlook this. They only see recent posts and you are judged on these.

If anyone can comment on B&O's history, it's yourself. In fact, some of the more recent posters on here (no names) cannot hold a candle to your history with the brand and you've seen it all - people should very much respect this, your opinion and how you've noticed many changes.

Or, maybe you could take all this history and leave this forum as you now post only "toxic" replies? Apparentely.

Thank you moxxey. Too few people realize where people like you, I, and svinaik are coming from. Apparently our dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs is all that matters, aka thought crime, rather than trying to understand the reasons for it. I've watched B&O's quality diminish, their management appear to be taken over by MBA types who have no love for or understanding of the brand (and its unique place in AV history), and the awful way they have treated several dealers I know of. I would love to be able to praise a product like the Eclipse, but I also recognize it for what it is and is not, and can't bring myself to applaud it.

 

Jeff wrote:

Pavlov was right!

Jeff

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

Yes he was was, as you continue to prove over and over.

Jeff wrote:

Thank you moxxey. Too few people realize where people like you, I, and svinaik are coming from. Apparently our dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs is all that matters, aka thought crime, rather than trying to understand the reasons for it. I've watched B&O's quality diminish, their management appear to be taken over by MBA types who have no love for or understanding of the brand (and its unique place in AV history), and the awful way they have treated several dealers I know of. I would love to be able to praise a product like the Eclipse, but I also recognize it for what it is and is not, and can't bring myself to applaud it.

Jeff

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with your opinion. Just as there is nothing wrong with opinions that differ from yours. But instead of respecting those opinions, as you want your opinion respected, you resort to ad hominum attacks. Your opinion is entitled to just as much respect, as you give to other opinions. No more, no less.

KMA wrote:

Jeff wrote:

 

Pavlov was right!

 

Jeff

 

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

 

 

 

Pavlov, or his dog? 😁

Hey, I just ring the bell...😂

I am Quasimodo!

The problem I have with how this thread has devolved is there's an assumption among the "critical thinkers" that anyone who likes the Eclipse is obviously a "fanboy".  Just because you don't like it, and you think B&O has lost the plot, this is a half-hearted effort and reminds you of your child's drug problem doesn't mean that "fanboy" is the sole reason why anyone might have a different opinion.

Full disclosure: I'm probably going to buy an Eclipse this week.  I guess I'm a stupid fanboy with too much money.  I've definitely been called worse!

Or... maybe I have thought this through using my hobbled critical thinker and have different priorities than the "bashers" so I have reached a different conclusion.

I haven't bought it yet so if someone can point me to a acceptable substitute, I'm all ears.  Key requirements are great picture, great sound, motorized wall bracket and not an ugly slab of plastic.  No Loewes because they are not sold in the US.

Then again, I bought (and still own) a Saab from the last year of its life so maybe I just fall for losers...

Stan wrote:

The problem I have with how this thread has devolved is there's an assumption among the "critical thinkers" that anyone who likes the Eclipse is obviously a "fanboy".  Just because you don't like it, and you think B&O has lost the plot, this is a half-hearted effort and reminds you of your child's drug problem doesn't mean that "fanboy" is the sole reason why anyone might have a different opinion.

Full disclosure: I'm probably going to buy an Eclipse this week.  I guess I'm a stupid fanboy with too much money.  I've definitely been called worse!

Or... maybe I have thought this through using my hobbled critical thinker and have different priorities than the "bashers" so I have reached a different conclusion.

I haven't bought it yet so if someone can point me to a acceptable substitute, I'm all ears.  Key requirements are great picture, great sound, motorized wall bracket and not an ugly slab of plastic.  No Loewes because they are not sold in the US.

Then again, I bought (and still own) a Saab from the last year of its life so maybe I just fall for losers...

Hi Stan, as an aside I have just replaced my last Saab after ownership of various models since 1973 (except when I had company cars forced onto me.)

There is nothing wrong with the Eclipse in design terms. The main objection seems to be that the panel hasn't had separate B&O 'work' done on it. I haven't seen the TV in person, but the motorised hinge cleverly gives the illusion of the TV floating away from the wall, much more so than with the BV10 or BV11. This is still the TV area that B&O excels in. Just look at the majority of alternative wall mounts by other manufacturers; usually a flimsy assembly of spider like cheap metal struts.

Graham

Agreed on your initial point. There's always the temptation to be a bit provocative and pointed when posting online, its always more likely to get some "engagement" rather than some more measured posts (not saying i'm immune).

As i posted earlier everyone prices the value proposition differently, and i'm sure i'd be happy enough with an Eclipse if i had one, as long as it worked with other NL products.  Sure i miss some aspects of the heritage B&O feel, think some veneer could have managed into the UI, but in the end the specs are strong.

I've posted plenty about the processing being a bit better in Sony's and Panansonics, but in the end thats not the biggest deal to me - it is an excellent OLED after all.

So, i'm glad for your decision and hope you enjoy.

Re: Eclipse

Of all the brands / manufacturers that use LG's panels, I find it impossible to fathom that of all of them – Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Loewe, etc – B&O is the only one that does not include any differentiating or proprietary processing & vision technologies in the TV.

B&O were once the forerunner of TVs with their viewing panel and technologies that made Beovisions stand apart. Impeccable picture out of the box, so very pleasing to the human eye which it was critically tuned to.

To grasp that the most luxurious of the brands has taken the cheapest route – impossible.

For Eclipse owners in this thread: please tell me that Eclipse does not ship with the Eco mode set as default? That would truly insult the B&O VisionClear heritage.

And to be fair: as an LG OLED owner, they are capable of an incredible picture – it just takes adjusting and tinkering that many people do not have the inclination or knowledge to go through. That should be – and I hope it is – done & included in the price of the Eclipse: a proper calibration.

As an eclipse owner, i honestly don’t remember anymore if it came preset to eco or not. I’ve tried all the options and it sticks to the last one you pick when switching off/on again. I mostly have it in expert bright mode with the eyestrain thing on.

I can’t see any uniformity issues either, so i do think the screens are cherrypicked from the batch. Some people complain about this in the lg sphere, but i’ve seen 3 eclipses and none of them had any uniformity issues. So there is some good in that.

The Eclipse does not allow external boxes such as a 4K Blu ray player, Apple 4k TV, Amazon TV or any other 4K 60HZ devices to play at their optimum.The TV is not ready.

It may do with a software update soon. But seasoned B&O owners like myself (27 years and thousands of pounds later) are staggered by the poor customer services which do not give any clarity over expected resolutions to such problems. These should have been ironed out before sales of the TV.

The decision to drop the NL/ML CONVERTER compatibility with the Eclipse to fantastic, timeless and iconic products is a big disappointment and shows a change in direction for this soon to be 'has been ' company. Yes you can hard wire the products but remote control with a beoRemote one is not possible.

'If this approach was taken by other manufacturers it would be viewed as disgraceful and customers would be up in arms wanting a refund .Regardless of the brand B&O's response is equally appalling. 

There should be no loyalty for a company that takes thousands of pounds from people and does not deliver the goods.

These TV's appear to be Beta models for suckers like myself to buy and fool into thinking its a premium product.

I am neither a fanboy nor a B&O basher' just a fed up owner who's been had.