Would you rather that there would be no new tv fom B&O?

MM

Hi Erik,

I have looked at the Eclipse and I have to say, in the flesh its looks much better and I can live with the design. Albeit I agree with previous comments that this is rather personal view. 

I fully agree sound is great. Much better than the other brands referred too above. Although you can argue that if you use the TV in combination with other B&O speakers, you do not need it that much. But still, very compelling.

The reason to hesitate is twofold.

First of all the user interface as also mentioned by Puncher above. The Eclipse for example contains plain reference to "LG" in some of the menu's. In itself there is nothing wrong with WebOS 3.5, it works intuitive and provides the functionality needed as far as I could test at a dealer, but why is the menu not slightly adapted in wording and colouring to make it a bit more B&O?

Secondly and to be honest most importantly, is pricing. Overhere in the Netherlands I can buy the 55" C7 between the €1.880 and €2.000 pending on the shop. Excluding the wall bracket, the Eclipse cost € 8.295. I expect and have no issues paying a premium, but nearly €6.300 for a speaker and integration is quite a lot of money. Next to that I thought the manual wall bracket costs another € 750. The math for the 65" is even worser.

Puncher wrote:

What really does if for me is the complete lack of effort from B&O on the panel - premium materials? - No, better than stock video processing? - No, integrated and stylish UI? - No, past Beovision identifiers (curtains etc.)? - No.

While every single other user of LG OLED panels have managed to raise the bar, even if only a little in some cases, B&O just haven't bothered at all - nothing!

No one doubts the speaker and styling is subjective but to sell a stock LG TV as a Beovision knowing its picture isnt what it could be isnt what B&O used to be about.

Exactly, a good, succinct summary of the issues. B&O could have shoved this panel in a BV14 or Avant and had a much more Beovision type of set, but I think the low level of integration and fact it's a minimal design investment assembly of other people's TV with a B&O soundbar indicates there are severe issues in what B&O is even capable of doing now. Do they even still have any video engineers?

As for the Thought, er. Thread Police, the whole purpose of a forum is to allow discussion, people will wander where they will, and it takes a special kind of control freak to try and micromanage other people's posts. I bet going to, say, a Christmas party at their house is a fun experience. If anyone starts talking about say New Years or such, they come around and browbeat them until they toe the line! 😠

No, but why not introduce some more options and keep costs in relation with value?

1. Embrace that tech is changing rapidly, if they for example had offered the soundbar and integration with the option to add either the 2017 C7 screen or an E7 or and W7 or what so ever you like that would have been a great offering. You update you OLED pannel bi-yearly or what ever cycle you like and are happy to have a lookin to the brand.
2. From a design perspective, In the BV11 you can put an OLED screen as well, presume this would have made it a more attractive price point as well?
3. a BeoVision 4 like solution with an external screen and all logic in a separate box (which can come from an external partner too)?
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5. the Eclipse for those who love the combo
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Millemissen wrote:

Would you rather that there would be no new tv fom B&O?

MM

No, but why not introduce some more options and keep costs in relation with value?

1. Embrace that tech is changing rapidly, if they for example had offered the soundbar and integration with the option to add either the 2017 C7 screen or an E7 or and W7 or what so ever you like that would have been a great offering. You update you OLED pannel bi-yearly or what ever cycle you like and are happy to have a lookin to the brand.
2. From a design perspective, In the BV11 you can put an OLED screen as well, presume this would have made it a more attractive price point as well?
3. a BeoVision 4 like solution with an external screen and all logic in a separate box (which can come from an external partner too)?
4. ...
5. the Eclipse for those who love the combo
6. ..

HarryP wrote:

Secondly and to be honest most importantly, is pricing. Overhere in the Netherlands I can buy the 55" C7 between the €1.880 and €2.000 pending on the shop. Excluding the wall bracket, the Eclipse cost € 8.295. I expect and have no issues paying a premium, but nearly €6.300 for a speaker and integration is quite a lot of money. Next to that I thought the manual wall bracket costs another € 750. The math for the 65" is even worser.

On that point, Initially I was convincing myself that if Eclipse were 30% lower in price, I may consider it but after buying Loewe 7 and having first hand experience with it, I am not sure I would pay any premium over Loewe.

In fact, I am grateful for Eclipse pricing which caused me to rethink the whole value proposition and I ended up with Loewe 77 inch versus Eclipse 65 inch which was just a bad value proposition in my eyes.

BTW, I also bought my Loewe when I was vacationing in Amsterdam in October. I bought it from Loewe Gallery in Amsterdam. The store manager, Cess, is truly a gentleman and excellent source of knowledge on all things B&O and Loewe.I had it shipped to USA and all worked out great in truly Dutch manner of efficiency :)

I see the biggest issue with the Eclipse is that we know that is is a C7 panel, and will compare.

But this is fair at all.

They have change the software, just watch the youtube clips, its not the same. Also B&O are not using the magic wand feature, so how could it be the same.

They have also the speaker adjustment and stand feature in the TV menu.

They also give you the BEO Remote, not just for the TV but for all products.

It also have WISA built in.

The soundcenter also do it for a music system.

The motorstand though same price as LOEWE feature 2 axle turning.

And you get DOLBY VISION with this tv, which is said is very important to get the best HDR, Philips and others dont have this.

BEOVISION 65" is no steal, but the 55" is rather well prices. I had the C7 for a week, returned it and saving up for a B&O tv.

But also Eclipse is there first try with LG, I think there will come a lot more, and I think the future is bright. 

Millemissen wrote:

Would you rather that there would be no new tv fom B&O?

MM

It would have been much, much better received if they avoided any pretence of it being a Beovision and sold the speaker/stand for use with the C7 TV (or better still, any LG OLED panel). As it stands I still maintain the TV part of the package isn't from B&O anyhow.

Emil Jensen wrote:

I see the biggest issue with the Eclipse is that we know that is is a C7 panel, and will compare.

But this is fair at all.

They have change the software, just watch the youtube clips, its not the same. Also B&O are not using the magic wand feature, so how could it be the same.

They have also the speaker adjustment and stand feature in the TV menu.

They also give you the BEO Remote, not just for the TV but for all products.

It also have WISA built in.

The soundcenter also do it for a music system.

The motorstand though same price as LOEWE feature 2 axle turning.

And you get DOLBY VISION with this tv, which is said is very important to get the best HDR, Philips and others dont have this.

BEOVISION 65" is no steal, but the 55" is rather well prices. I had the C7 for a week, returned it and saving up for a B&O tv.

But also Eclipse is there first try with LG, I think there will come a lot more, and I think the future is bright. 

Most if not all of the stuff you mention could be fitted in the speaker.

Millemissen wrote:

Would you rather that there would be no new tv fom B&O?

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.