I really like how the picture extends to almost the very edge of the t.v. 

Super nice!

didnt pick that up - good spot!

In general, thought he was fairy critical, and reflected many of the concerns / issues that many have mentioned on this thread over the last month

Where he did differ, was in saying that it felt more like a B&O experience than an LG one - thats something a good proportion would take issue with.

And yes, scoring without including value for money (i know its their methodology) essentially misses the point - strong specs are great, but without some of the B&O magic, the price is a trickier to justify than with BV's in the past.

I just did a feedback call / questionnaire this morning with B&O in Denmark (they contacted me) about all things brand B&O - needless to say i reflected software issues in general, and specifically how they relate to the Eclipse. Said that i was much more patient than most, but still ended up returning my BV14, and generally how unacceptable those type of issues are. Nice that they reached out - what they do with the feedback (it wasn't all negative), only time will tell.

Sandyb wrote:

This review is not going to change anyone's mind (at least on this forum)

I am pretty sure, that you are right on that!

Despite all crituque here - which differs from person to person - an interested person must ask himself the question:

Do I want such a tv (with all the cons and the certainly the pros), do I skip it (and prefer a cheaper non-BV) or do I try to make my own DIY-solution.

I guess the last part of the conclusion answers at least the last question perfectly.

'Nevertheless, you can try to explore the market for alternatives from competing brands but you will not find one that can match Eclipse on all parameters. Even if you want to try to buy the parts separately to match the picture, audio, wireless surround, music streaming options, and operation, you will need to buy products from at least 3-4 different manufacturers.

If you want everything in an integrated solution then there’s only Eclipse.'

MM

Yes, well thats the positive / optimistic spin.

I'm certainly not in the "i'm unimpressed, sell everything B&O camp" - i think that, to me at least, is a hasty reaction. I really wouldn't want to go down the separate parts route, and would need a lot of persuading - maybe it is possible in a neat enough way, i don't know.  

And i''ve done enough research to know that all of the top end TV's from the likes of LG, Panasonic, Sony and Loewe all come with compromises.

One thing is for sure though - whether i bought one or not, i'd be under no illusion that "wow, i'm really getting something special here", which i how i felt when i first saw (and eventually bought) the 12-65. 

The review may be the sober, realistic pitch to B&O customers, but it's not a thrilling or compelling proposition, at least compared to some of the BV's in the past.  So i wouldn't put quite such an optimistic spin on it, there just isn't the grounds for it.

Sandyb wrote:

The review may be the sober, realistic pitch to B&O customers, but it's not a thrilling or compelling proposition, at least compared to some of the BV's in the past.  So i wouldn't put quite such an optimistic spin on it, there just isn't the grounds for it.

In a light spirited way, let me summarize the FlatpanelsHD review

1. Picture / experience is pure LG 

2. Sound is pure B&O - world Class 

3. B&O Integration is a plus

4. Value Proposition (Your Call )

So for most of us on the forum, this is pretty much all known and I found nothing in the review to change my mind. Some on the forum will see the value and buy it and some will stay away. I am in the stay away camp BTW....I am all in at 30% lower price. Not trying to be cheap but that is all the value I can justify in my mind and heart.

You know it is ok to negotiate the price down. I have personally never paid retail for any of my B&O products and if you have a bit of patience then I am sure you may be convinced of the value proposition.

svinaik wrote:

Sandyb wrote:

The review may be the sober, realistic pitch to B&O customers, but it's not a thrilling or compelling proposition, at least compared to some of the BV's in the past.  So i wouldn't put quite such an optimistic spin on it, there just isn't the grounds for it.

In a light spirited way, let me summarize the FlatpanelsHD review

1. Picture / experience is pure LG 

2. Sound is pure B&O - world Class 

3. B&O Integration is a plus

4. Value Proposition (Your Call )

 

So for most of us on the forum, this is pretty much all known and I found nothing in the review to change my mind. Some on the forum will see the value and buy it and some will stay away. I am in the stay away camp BTW....I am all in at 30% lower price. Not trying to be cheap but that is all the value I can justify in my mind and heart.

Hanschristian wrote:

You know it is ok to negotiate the price down. I have personally never paid retail for any of my B&O products and if you have a bit of patience then I am sure you may be convinced of the value proposition.

I don't think standard dealer 5-15% discount comes close to hitting the sweet spot for the "value proposition" for the Eclipse.

Mikipedia wrote:

Beolab 1's, beolab 2, beolab 18's, beovision 10-46, overture 2300, beolab 8000's, beolab 4000's, beovision avant 32" etc. etc.

on the Australian LG website it shows this as the features of the LG C7 

• OLED Display with no backlight - perfect black, over 1 billion colours
• Active HDR with Dolby Vision™- more colours, more contrast
• Dolby Atmos - delivers rich and atmospheric sound

So why is there no mention of Dolby Atmos on the specs for the Eclipse but it mentions Dolby Vision? 

Aussie Michael wrote:

on the Australian LG website it shows this as the features of the LG C7 

• OLED Display with no backlight - perfect black, over 1 billion colours
• Active HDR with Dolby Vision™- more colours, more contrast
• Dolby Atmos - delivers rich and atmospheric sound

So why is there no mention of Dolby Atmos on the specs for the Eclipse but it mentions Dolby Vision? 

Presumably because B&O soundbar doesn't implement/support it!