Fully agree. 

ErikVonAgnar wrote:

The sound from the Eclipse is better then the Avant 55", so it should be priced a bit more. 
The picture is far better on the Eclipse then the Avant 55", so it should be priced more. 
The WebOS on the LG screen is far better and smother to operate so it should also be worth something. 

If I go and buy a new TV from Beo that I want to stick with me for some time. I will not go for an old Avant NG with a buggy Andriod system with a screen and sound that is worth then the new one? The Eclipse is worth not having a electric cinematic curtain or have glass in front the tv.  
It is still cheaper then other Beovisions from the past. 

Damn the Eclipse gets a lot of hate! 
1, It's the best Beovision on the market.
2, No one is forcing you to buy an Eclipse. If you want and old Avant for the looks and geeky tech stuff, go with that one.
If you like an elegant piece in your living room buy BV14 (and buy it fast). Or, if you want the best sound and picture quality of them all, go for Eclipse.

//EA

ErikVonAgnar wrote:

The sound from the Eclipse is better then the Avant 55", so it should be priced a bit more. 
The picture is far better on the Eclipse then the Avant 55", so it should be priced more. 
The WebOS on the LG screen is far better and smother to operate so it should also be worth something. 

If I go and buy a new TV from Beo that I want to stick with me for some time. I will not go for an old Avant NG with a buggy Andriod system with a screen and sound that is worth then the new one? The Eclipse is worth not having a electric cinematic curtain or have glass in front the tv.  
It is still cheaper then other Beovisions from the past. 

Damn the Eclipse gets a lot of hate! 
1, It's the best Beovision on the market.
2, No one is forcing you to buy an Eclipse. If you want and old Avant for the looks and geeky tech stuff, go with that one.
If you like an elegant piece in your living room buy BV14 (and buy it fast). Or, if you want the best sound and picture quality of them all, go for Eclipse.

//EA

I agree also.....and for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents, working with aluminium. Anyway it seems its the same group of people bashing the Eclipse day in day out. No one minds criticism but its getting a bit ridiculous.

ErikVonAgnar wrote:

The picture is far better on the Eclipse then the Avant 55", so it should be priced more. 

But this is flawed logic - the picture of the C7 is not as good as the Sony or the Panasonic so following this logic should be less than either of those!

BenSA wrote:

for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

ErikVonAgnar wrote:

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Damn the Eclipse gets a lot of hate!

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+1 🤒 Erik

Puncher wrote:

BenSA wrote:

for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

They still used veneer on the Moment and they do work in wood. If they don't use aluminium what are they supposed to use? Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

BenSA wrote:

Puncher wrote:

BenSA wrote:

for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

They still used veneer on the Moment and they do work in wood. If they don't use aluminium what are they supposed to use? Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

Or, just maybe, the guy really does think that it now looks very "80's" and no longer current! Personally I don't care because I'm not considering buying it but I do care that people are able to state their opinion here without it being called "ludicrous" and being told they "shouldn't have anything to do with B&O" just because they don't feel the same way as you!

Puncher wrote:

BenSA wrote:

Puncher wrote:

BenSA wrote:

for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

They still used veneer on the Moment and they do work in wood. If they don't use aluminium what are they supposed to use? Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

Or, just maybe, the guy really does think that it now looks very "80's" and no longer current! Personally I don't care because I'm not considering buying it but I do care that people are able to state their opinion here without it being called "ludicrous" and being told they "shouldn't have anything to do with B&O" just because they don't feel the same way as you!

Whats "ludicrous" is people who have made their points quite clear which certainly they are allowed to do as this is a forum but constant ripping apart of the Eclipse is unwarranted. Every time someone mentions it there's a barrage of complaints from certain people.....people are allowed to like the Eclipse without being told how they wasting money and they shouldn't buy it...they should buy a Loewe instead. If you love Loewe go tell it on the Loewe forum this is a B&O forum. Its gone past just giving an opinion. That's my opinion and since you say one can give ones opinion, I am doing just that. 

BenSA wrote:

Puncher wrote:

BenSA wrote:

Puncher wrote:

BenSA wrote:

for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

They still used veneer on the Moment and they do work in wood. If they don't use aluminium what are they supposed to use? Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

Or, just maybe, the guy really does think that it now looks very "80's" and no longer current! Personally I don't care because I'm not considering buying it but I do care that people are able to state their opinion here without it being called "ludicrous" and being told they "shouldn't have anything to do with B&O" just because they don't feel the same way as you!

Whats "ludicrous" is people who have made their points quite clear which certainly they are allowed to do as this is a forum but constant ripping apart of the Eclipse is unwarranted. Every time someone mentions it there's a barrage of complaints from certain people.....people are allowed to like the Eclipse without being told how they wasting money and they shouldn't buy it...they should buy a Loewe instead. If you love Loewe go tell it on the Loewe forum this is a B&O forum. Its gone past just giving an opinion. That's my opinion and since you say one can give ones opinion, I am doing just that. 

Let me get this straight - you can repeat yourself, but they can't, is that it?

Speaking for me (of course), I don't think that saying the product is overpriced is bashing the product.

I've seen and heared the Eclipse and yes the sound is fantastic and the picture superb (at least with 4k content - haven't tried SD).

Two weeks ago we where (my wife and I) blown away by a documentary of the French Alps on Arte Channel or France 5 (HD quality) on our non Oled BV11 and I find the sound allready incredible.

Again, for 11.400 € a 55" Tv I was expecting some B&O standards like we are used to with B&O Tv's since ages (appart the Android bug that can't be an example) especially when we know they are outsourced (byebye Struer). And I don't feel it's the case with the "HDMI2" Eclipse (and I'm sad because I wanted a 55" set !).