Puncher wrote:

Saw the LG 65" C7 today, priced at £2999. It was showing demo footage of action scenes of Pacific Rim in 4K - I'm not sure if was the source material or that I was only stood about 5ft away from the screen but I wasn't blown away! It still looked like ragged edges during fast motion etc., something I wasn't expecting to see.

I only spent 5 minutes watching so it could be a complete Red Herring!

Ban boring signatures!

As with most TVs today, also the new LGs need to have their picture settings adjusted to get rid of over-processing, which can cause unwanted artifacts and make even good sources look less than perfect. Or, as some put it, make the picture look crappy.

With 1080p or 4K content on the LG, all enhancements should be turned off or set to zero, especially TruMotion (althought some say that TruMotion: User: De-Judder & De-Blur set to 2 looks good (the controls go from 0 to 10). I have both set to 0, and no matter how fast the movement is or how it pans, the picture stays perfect.

With LG, "Noise Reduction: Low" and "MPEG Noise Reduction: Low" can help clean up poor 480p content, such as old TV shows, so it might be a welcome idea to have one of the picture presets set to those values. Changing between presets is easy when watching TV. HD TV sources need no extra processing.

I fear that the Eclipse sets at dealers are not tweaked properly. Right settings make a world of difference compared to the Standard or Eco settings LGs ship with.

Since Eclipse has the same panel and processing as my LG B7, I'd be happy to share my optimized picture settings for new Eclipse owners. They apply perfectly for the Eclipse.

I do recommend that we start a new thread for discussing the settings. It's a world of its own 😁

Jeff wrote:

I agree vikinger about it being easier to not see things until you're made aware of them, often true. When DLP rear projector sets were a thing, I hadn't noticed the rainbow artifacts until I read about them and went to a store and deliberately tried to see them. After that I couldn't stop seeing them!

Jeff

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

And nobody should go looking for vertical banding on 5% / 10% black slides on the Eclipse. They'll end up seeing the infamous "jailbars", which even sounds worse than "rainbows" 😁

Puncher wrote:

Saw the LG 65" C7 today, priced at £2999. It was showing demo footage of action scenes of Pacific Rim in 4K - I'm not sure if was the source material or that I was only stood about 5ft away from the screen but I wasn't blown away!

The whole point of OLED was that the colours are better as each led is individually lit. But, this doesn't automatically 'guarantee' a better picture. For example, the BV12-65 with its plasma panel was very good and smoothing the image, whereas LED (OLED or regular) makes the image look sharp, edgy and a little cartoon-like in places.

Watch a Blu-ray on a plasma, for example, and the picture looks vibrant, smooth and deep. You almost never get the same effect on an LED, even on an OLED panel.

I understand the differences but, not having been in the market for a tv for a while, have read only good things about oled and had expected a more "plasma-like" picture, given they are both "light emitting" technologies,  rather than the coloured-filter picture of led.

Maybe I'm over-reacting to what was a very short viewing. 

Puncher wrote:

I understand the differences but, not having been in the market for a tv for a while, have read only good things about oled and had expected a more "plasma-like" picture, given they are both "light emitting" technologies,  rather than the coloured-filter picture of led.

Maybe I'm over-reacting to what was a very short viewing. 

 

Beware that the default picture modes with enhanced colours, details and contrast can be quite terrible, this also goes for the Eclipse.

But Eclipse ships with two more suitable modes:

 

• Expert light room
• Expert dark room

 

They look to be calibrated picture modes. One for light rooms (daylight) and another for dark rooms (evening/night)

  /Lars

Puncher wrote:

I understand the differences but, not having been in the market for a tv for a while, have read only good things about oled and had expected a more "plasma-like" picture, given they are both "light emitting" technologies,  rather than the coloured-filter picture of led.

Maybe I'm over-reacting to what was a very short viewing. 

No, OLED is still LED technology, just lit differently, so shading is more effective (deeper blacks, more distinct whites). You still get a very sharp LED-like picture though.

Yeah i think about it this way.

If you don't like the type of picture that LED / LCD's produce, and prefer plasma type images, then an OLED is likely to be much more to your liking.

Having watched quite a few video discussions on OLED consumer sets, we need to be aware that the different brands deal with motion, tone mapping, upscaling compressed content etc etc differently, and the choices they each make in doing this involve minor compromises here and there.  So its not as if each OLED on the market is exactly the same to the naked eye. 

As someone pointed out, the LG panel in the Eclipse will likely need to some playing with settings wise - i mentioned this before, there are far more calibration settings on these compared to the BV's in the past. Thats not necessarily a bad thing, probably good in fact. And i'd encourage a look at the HD TV Test shoot out post i did last week - it seems like there are better and worse TV choices depending on the user environment (home theatre vs living room)

The motion issue, if some have noticed it, is less an Eclipse issue - more an OLED vs Plasma issue. OLED's (and LEDs) use Sample and Hold in producing an image, which Plasma's don't. The blur that some can perceive as a result can be mitigated with Black Frame Insertion settings. Depending on an individual's eyes and vision, that works for some, while some find BFI introduces a touch of flicker. So requires a bit of playing with. 

Anyway, i wouldn't worry about the general image quality of OLED - it's a deal better than most LED's. Less obvious improvement versus plasma's. (talking SDR content here)

And if i had a high end OLED, i would definitely get a calibrator to come round, and get the various eating right for my lighting environment and sources.

 

Good points SandyB. Even on the plasmas like mine, the majority view is not to turn on motion processing or smoothing for motion or  whatever these various adaptive adjustments are. I've played with them and come to the same conclusion, they tend to mess up the video a large amount in my experiences. Just how good a native OLED set will be with all that turned off is an open question to me.

One thing I mentioned previously that I think bears repeating...the original goal of TV/panel designers was always, at least up until the near past, to mimic film to as great a degree as possible, not to provide the kind of hyper-detailed, edgy, overly contrasty and bright images that are too typical today. The idea was to produce something smooth and film like, and the last generation of plasmas did this very, very well. If that goal has been abandoned in modern panels, including OLED, it's disappointing and ill considered in my view.

Lars Ladingkaer wrote:

Beware that the default picture modes with enhanced colours, details and contrast can be quite terrible, this also goes for the Eclipse.

But Eclipse ships with two more suitable modes:

Expert light room Expert dark room

They look to be calibrated picture modes. One for light rooms (daylight) and another for dark rooms (evening/night)

/Lars

Editor in Chief, recordere.dk Danish online magazine for consumer electronics

Yes, these are close to ideal picture modes, and Cinema is pretty accurate, too.

I would check that Gamma is 2.2 in ISF Expert Bright Room and 2.4 in ISF Expert Dark Room.

Also, for daytime viewing, many people prefer Colour Temperature Warm 1 (over Warm 2), so I'd set Warm 1 for ISF Expert Bright Room. It is also a little more familiar looking picture for B&O users, as B&O has always preferred to offer a colder (bluer) picture than the ~D6500 of Warm 2.

I'm sure these settings will be revisited once people start receiving their Eclipse sets.

moxxey wrote:

Puncher wrote:

I understand the differences but, not having been in the market for a tv for a while, have read only good things about oled and had expected a more "plasma-like" picture, given they are both "light emitting" technologies,  rather than the coloured-filter picture of led.

Maybe I'm over-reacting to what was a very short viewing. 

No, OLED is still LED technology, just lit differently, so shading is more effective (deeper blacks, more distinct whites). You still get a very sharp LED-like picture though.

Not sure that is true - OLED is indeed LED technology in that the actual pixels light up to make the picture whereas conventional "LED" panels are actually LCD panels where, in essence, the pixels are little colour filters which open and close to let through the backlight - in this case LED backlight (previously cold Cathode Fluorescent light). There is no backlight with OLED.The only likely difference would be the speed of switching differences between plasma and OLED and the persistence of the light emitting ellements on turn off.