elephant wrote:

So with regrets here are my thoughts.

I have been waiting for the eclipse for years.

Not as it has been designed but the concept of a B&O with OLED HDR etc.

But first the positives.

Not that I have a problem with the design once I saw it in the flesh.

Walking through the shop door I liked it.

Spending two days with it I still like it.

As I said in my spot on to Jeffs I think they could've had something great if they had made it adaptable to integrating with anyone's Monitor.

Then I listen to the sound.

We played a stunning YouTube clip of Adele.

Sheer beauty.

We switch to Deezer.

I was surprised that music selected then Deezer selected actually starts Deezer in video mode with a bit of a screensaver.

We listen to Geoff Martin's bird on a wire recommendation.

We listen to no sanctuary here.

All brilliant.

Then I went back to testing the video side.

Played a go pro 4K clip of Riva del Garda.

Stunning.

Then we played the Gravity trailer.

Good separation left and right of Clooney and Bullock voices.

A bit soft though so I increased the volume.

And so when the rogue satellite hit the space station everyone in the shop jumped and its a big shop - square with two story open space ceiling

The sound bar filled the space and I checked outside to see if a queue was forming !

Also played the Wonder Woman trailer to check the blacks in the alley way and fight scenes. Hmm not quite so black as I had expected ... but certainly not a pixel to seen at a nose length

And when I inspected the back I liked the little bits of B&O panels a la the rear of the BV7 !

So all good ... what's the problem Ed ? BeoNut since '75

Aussie Michael wrote:

Nicely put Ed.

elephant wrote:

And finally a thought on pricing ...

 

Screen	LCDs	QLED	OLED	OLED with extras	Eclipse
55	LG 2,300		LG 3,200   Pana 3,500	Sony 5,700   Loewe 12,000	Beo 16,000
65	LG 3,500   Samsung 4,700	Samsung 5,000	LG 5,500   Pana 5,500	LG 12,000   Loewe 16,000	Beo 22,000
75	Sony 5,200   LG 6,500	Samsung 8,500
82		Samsung 9,000

 

 

....and perhaps doing one's own integration with a BeoSystem 4 is a good solution.

The trouble with 'doing one's own integration' is, that you - due to the specs of a BSys4 - won't benefit from any UHD capacity in a new/modern display (or from an ATV5).

And you won't be able to re-route the sound from the connected tv to the BSystem

A regular 1080p tv would be all you would have....as a dumb display.

As for a comparison of prices - try adding the costs of a BSys4 including remote, a WiSA Transmitter, a good center speaker solution, an Essence/Core and the tv needed - and make an extra column in your table above.

In that case - if you want to stay clear of halfbacken SmartTV solutions and don't care about the benefits of the UHD features - why not go for a BV12NG, a BV11 or a BV Avant/2014.....B&O already made the 'own integration' for you there.

P.S. A BV14 with Android? Are you kidding?

MM

Spotify was removed from webOS 3.5.

The statement on the Spotify website explains that they hope to return with a better version at some point in the future.

A little perspective then, to those who complained about B&O and the third party app experience - its just part of the tech / media world these days.

And is why many tech journalists wish for TV manufacturers to make a top class dumb panel, and rely on a plug in box.

Sandyb wrote:

Spotify was removed from webOS 3.5.

The statement on the Spotify website explains that they hope to return with a better version at some point in the future.

A little perspective then, to those who complained about B&O and the third party app experience - its just part of the tech / media world these days.

And is why many tech journalists wish for TV manufacturers to make a top class dumb panel, and rely on a plug in box.

elephant wrote:

Thanks Michael.

So the problem kind of started with the Deezer experience. Why did the soundbar not behave like an Essence or as we now believe, a core-solo ?

Instead (although the unit was in standby and although I deliberately used Music > Deezer on the BR1BT did I get the screen being activated by the LG Deezer App ?

Why was TuneIn so confusing that I gave up ??

There was a Plex App but without registering or using my own account I could not test it.

Was there a Spotify app? I can't remember!

There was the SBS catch up App. Very similar to what I use currently on the Apple TV to the BV8-40.

But where was the ABC iview ? No such App in the LG store. We use the ATV's version almost every night !

What about games? I browsed the ENTIRE store (I.e. Not much depth!) and found nothing that I would use. Unlike our Apple TV where we have many apps that we use some in conjunction with our grandchildren and have lots of great fun.

So this Smart TV is no replacement for the Apple TV.

Next what about the blacks that weren't quite black ?

Back home I watched wonder woman trailer and the Riva Del Gardo go pro. I started wondering after 24 hours between viewings was the OLED that much different?

On the second visit I spent a lot of time trying to understand configuration menus. Going backwards and forwards between apps. Trying to use the keys on the remote.

The more I try the more frustrated I became. The LIST key seemed to have no function anymore.

The back button versus the exit button were inconsistent in behaviours between applications and where you were within the sequence of events.

I resorted to reading the online manual on my phone. Even the menu talks about the LG Remote and the keys being different and advising you not to get confused !

More and more I felt I was trapped in an LG world !

And finally (admitted perhaps because the shop had had little time to do the set up) we were not able to get multi room working.

And so I came away thinking I wanted to be a Beovision not at soundbar.

Which possibly rules out options that others are considering such as the Sony or the Loewe ?

Hence me starting to look at the BeoVision 14 and maybe the BeoSystem 4 for integration purposes.

And so I plan to take a look for the first time at the Android interface BeoNut since '75

AngloApulian wrote:

Sandyb wrote:

Spotify was removed from webOS 3.5.

The statement on the Spotify website explains that they hope to return with a better version at some point in the future.

A little perspective then, to those who complained about B&O and the third party app experience - its just part of the tech / media world these days.

And is why many tech journalists wish for TV manufacturers to make a top class dumb panel, and rely on a plug in box.

Indeed, if I were to buy a BV Eclipse I would use my an Apple TV 5 (4K HDR) instead of the WebOS apps, not to mention it would provide a better GUI and choice of apps than WebOS. In addition I wouldn't need to see any of the LG stuff either.

No Spotify or Deezer (or Tidal) app to find on the ATV, however.

Seems you'd need multiple boxes....at least if you don't want to rely on AirPlay - or e.g. Spotify Connect to the Eclipse SoundCenter.

MM