CasperI wrote:

Contrast screen? Apart from getting a glass front on the TV that might cause dust problems, what benefit would it do to a TV like the Eclipse?

which is what i had stated / asked earlier i.e. that there is a difference between what appears to be little effort, and actually making some demonstrable effort

The main thing, if i needed to upgrade, is the GUI - having some sound options greyed out, no mention of B&O anywhere really in the on screen UI, and simple things like the HDMI 2 for every A-D connected source is not good enough.

So yes, MM is right, the specs are good, but a little UI effort (and we're only talking a little effort) would go a long way, perhaps not for everyone but certainly for some.

I refuse to accept that the current situation re the UI is the best that can be done, or that we should accept.

Part of the extra experience is functionality, part is feel - less feel, less ability to justify the premium

That said, i am hopeful that the hurried feel to the UI (feels like a quick beta fix) can be addressed - hopeful, not expecting.

My friends absolutely love the curtains on my BV's - for gods sake B&O, can't be that difficult.

LG processing fine, i can live with, it may not be best in class as discussed before, but its well good enough.

But make some effort so that UI feels not 100% LG.

Sandyb wrote:

which is what i had stated / asked earlier i.e. that there is a difference between what appears to be little effort, and actually making some demonstrable effort

The main thing, if i needed to upgrade, is the GUI - having some sound options greyed out, no mention of B&O anywhere really in the on screen UI, and simple things like the HDMI 2 for every A-D connected source is not good enough.

So yes, MM is right, the specs are good, but a little UI effort (and we're only talking a little effort) would go a long way, perhaps not for everyone but certainly for some.

I refuse to accept that the current situation re the UI is the best that can be done, or that we should accept.

Part of the extra experience is functionality, part is feel - less feel, less ability to justify the premium

That said, i am hopeful that the hurried feel to the UI (feels like a quick beta fix) can be addressed - hopeful, not expecting.

My friends absolutely love the curtains on my BV's - for gods sake B&O, can't be that difficult.

LG processing fine, i can live with, it may not be best in class as discussed before, but its well good enough.

But make some effort so that UI feels not 100% LG.

TV wishlist - zero effort, maximum return!

Millemissen wrote:

Puncher wrote:

Emil Jensen wrote:

BV7 and BV12 was very bad value tv's. The Eclipse is way better in that sense.

Absolutely and utterly disagree!

The BV7-55 was 16.000 £ at launch - good or bad value....depends on your point of view, I guess.

MM

....and is still probably the 2nd best "flat panel" TV B&O have made, behind the BV12!

Sal wrote:

I actually don't think we'd be having the same value debate if the Eclipse had even a B&O skinned UI, electronic curtains, dynamic light control, visonclear, etc. I think what has sparked this debate is that there was little done to hide the fact that an LG screen and UI is being used in a B&O branded television. The value debate we'd be having is the one we have had in the past: how much of a premium is justified for a B&O television.

I think we can all justify that we and other customers should pay the B&O premium (I know I did), but for the purposes of the Eclipse, the question is how much is the right premium that should be paid? I think the premium should be less than B&O televisions of times past.

We're all questioning the value proposition because the premium really hasn't changed when the "core" of the television is blatantly not B&O any longer.

B&O skinned UI no.1 for me

The lack of Vision clear and dynamic light control has not stopped the LG TV's from getting some excellent reviews, so not sure how important they are.....maybe, but not sure.

But the UI is a major thing, whether re-skinned entirely, or a partial effort....unless they have completely abdicated all UI responsibility, perhaps a consequence of the service level agreement between B&O and LG display.

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Sandyb wrote:

B&O skinned UI no.1 for me

The lack of Vision clear and dynamic light control has not stopped the LG TV's from getting some excellent reviews, so not sure how important they are.....maybe, but not sure.

But the UI is a major thing, whether re-skinned entirely, or a partial effort....unless they have completely abdicated all UI responsibility, perhaps a consequence of the service level agreement between B&O and LG display.

Or that everyone else who uses the same panel seems to get a better quality picture than the LG standard!

The bottom line is that the Eclipse is an LG television with a B&O sound bar and that's fact. People can try and justify it any way they want, for example reminding us that this is a B&O thread... BUT IS IT? No MM, B&O have turned it into an LG thread, not me or others. Let's not BS each other and face facts. It's not about being able to afford it either, as Stan suggested. I can buy this if I want to Stan as I suspect many other forum users can, but I want to know why I am paying a premium? Don't you? Honestly... to suggest that we can't discuss such IMPORTANT issues on this B&O forum makes me question how 'some people' simply like chucking their money down the drain. All that ain't me! Good night :) 

Well that ain't me!!! Night.