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On that i agree completely...the conclusions some have reached could well have been reached any months ago.
And the debate about price a month or so ago (would it be surprisingly / modestly priced?) was misguided i think, as i said at the time. They were never going to sell this at 6 to 6.5k.
Design is always subjective, so on that i can see the merits of waiting to see what it was like, but the rest as you say was largely set in stone.
Seeing is believing i guess.
Go find and buy something, that you find better picturewise and save the money for a rainy day.
The simple fact that this can now be said worries me.
As recently as two years ago, you'd never have been able to make that statement. The B&O processing and image quality has always been incredible, but now there are credible alternatives for a lot less money there's real potential for a huge swathe of 'brand loyalists' to defect.
Yes, there will always be the 'ultra-fan' - but these people are becoming rarer and rarer.
Lee
It is funny how this can come as a surprice.
The partnership with LG was announced long ago and it was known that LG would provide the screen/tv part.
If people don't need or appreciate the 'sound work' of B&O, the integration with other B&O products/NL, the one remote etc, there is really no need to buy the Eclipse.
Go find and buy something, that you find better picturewise and save the money for a rainy day.
MM
A lot people are doing just that rather parting with£2-3 k every two years rather buying hi-end.who is right who is wrong is opinions!!!.I looked at pictures the eclipse not seen it in the flesh yet lol ,the designs defiantly B&O but asi see it a big modified bc 6-26!!!
It is funny how this can come as a surprice.
The partnership with LG was announced long ago and it was known that LG would provide the screen/tv part.
There is nothing new in B&O procuring the panels. They have always bought the Plasma / LED panels from others but added their own capabilities to the panel in terms of AV processing and designing the product as a whole, not in parts.
In the case of Eclipse, that process has been broken.
What is funny is that blind devotion to a brand by some without including any other critiques. Isn't that the point of a forum so that readers can read various perspectives and make their own decisions. If this forum is to become just a praise list for pre determined aspects of B&O products, then the B&O brochure will be enough to post and no need for discussion.
This was indeed announced long ago, but personally I expected a slightly different outcome. LG's panel was a given. I strongly feel B&O should have taken a more customized approach like Sony, Panasonic or LoeweI think there's a lot of talk about Loewe mostly because of Eclipse's value proposition. I still question if its price is justified, given the sum of its parts. Also, I feel too much of B&O has been stripped away from the Vision part of this BeoVision.I never thought that B&O (!!) would just drop an LG C7 "as is" on their soundbar & stand. I was hoping the collaboration would have included B&O's picture processing competences. I also thought the user experience would be customized to be more B&O-like.High hopes 😕The partnership with LG was announced long ago and it was known that LG would provide the screen/tv part.
I agree with what KMA has said that's exactly what i thought!
For me it's the end of the link to other B&O products. If I get a Loewe Tv, I'll now get Loewe speakers to go with it.
Its your choice...
But to be honest the Loewe speakers are not to compare with the B&O loudspeakers.
LG's panel was a given. I strongly feel B&O should have taken a more customized approach like Sony, Panasonic or Loewe
B&O was loosing money on the tv-business. Despite the high prices they lacked the sales volume to make highly customized products profitable. Its easier with audio products.
The deal with LG was made out of necessity. If they where to take on a more customized approach, history would just repeat itself, and B&O would continue to loose money on TV's.
And lets face it. The customized B&O TV's usually lacked the newest technology, because they took too long time to develop and build. Here they get access to a new up-to-date tv-part each year, and can stay focused on making the rest work together with their world.
BTW: Many of the other manufactures of consumer electronics also loose money on their tv-businesses, but they often have a much wider product range to compensate.
/Lars
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