Aussie Michael wrote:

I wonder if the cynic in me thinks that the reason that B&O didn't release HDR in the Avant and the 14 was so that they dont have to keep the current platform alive and push everyone to the Eclipse?

Because if there was HDR, would most people have still chosen an Eclipse? 

Or still go to the Eclipse because it has OLED and superior sound? 

Just a thought

No!

All the HDR-stuff wasn't by far mature at that moment.

Do consider, that it takes a lot of time from the concept of a BV before it can be released to the market.

And there will be more - the BV Eclipse/OLED-tv's is certainly not the endresult of human search for improving, developing picture technology.

(Whether we need these 'improvements' or not, is another question).

MM

Aussie Michael wrote:

I wonder if the cynic in me thinks that the reason that B&O didn't release HDR in the Avant and the 14 was so that they dont have to keep the current platform alive and push everyone to the Eclipse?

Do you *really* believe your average B&O customer even a) understands HDR and b) would pay thousands of pounds to upgrade to obtain HDR?

If you live your life based on having the latest standards to "cope" with watching a television programme, I'd have a word with myself, frankly. Why, as humans, do we naturally think we've 'missed out' by not having the latest standard? Step back and think that through - a few years ago that never happened. Now we live on a tech wheel of fear.

moxxey wrote:

Do you *really* believe your average B&O customer even a) understands HDR and b) would pay thousands of pounds to upgrade to obtain HDR?

If you live your life based on having the latest standards to "cope" with watching a television programme, I'd have a word with myself, frankly. Why, as humans, do we naturally think we've 'missed out' by not having the latest standard? Step back and think that through - a few years ago that never happened. Now we live on a tech wheel of fear.

Jeff wrote:

4K doesn't require fiber, it takes 25 Mbps, even here in backwoods country where I lice I easily get over 60 Mbps.

Jeff

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

Hi, I like the Eclipse when its on a stand but dont like the formfactor for wallmounting. What I am hoping for next is something like the wallpaperthin W series tv but with the B&O soundcenter insted of the LG soundbar.

Aussie Michael wrote:

Jeff wrote:

 

4K doesn't require fiber, it takes 25 Mbps, even here in backwoods country where I lice I easily get over 60 Mbps.

 

Jeff

 

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

 

 

I didn't realise that actually. I have learned something today :-)

I though I remembered it was not that bad, but I had to go look it up myself! Still, lot of places where internet speeds would pose a problem. I used to have 20 Mbps as the limit here a couple of years ago, but almost two years ago they went to 60 Mbps for no increase in price. I knew a guy in Florida where I used to live that did have fiber, his speeds were amazing, but in reality being jealous is just over bragging rights I think. Most websites don't load faster for me now than they used to, seems a lot of the bottlenecks are upstream, mainly at the servers that host a lot of the side items and ads. Even with adblocker, which helps, sites are slower than they should be.

moxxey wrote:

Do you *really* believe your average B&O customer even a) understands HDR and b) would pay thousands of pounds to upgrade to obtain HDR?

If you live your life based on having the latest standards to "cope" with watching a television programme, I'd have a word with myself, frankly. Why, as humans, do we naturally think we've 'missed out' by not having the latest standard? Step back and think that through - a few years ago that never happened. Now we live on a tech wheel of fear.

well stated.

I have noticed that a number of people, including on Beoworld, have talked about how their TV isn't like looking out the window, how hopefully HDR and 4 or 8K, whatever, will supposedly make that more like looking out the window, etc. This is not only reminding me that limitations of the technology and recording techniques will mean live music will never, in all likelihood, sound like recorded music, or vice versa rather, but that for many years now the standard that TVs and video has been judged by is not fidelity to looking out a window, but rather fidelity to film, movies projected from decent large film has been the standard. Granted, today, theaters seldom are that good, as due to digital projectors taking the place of film, but the goal has previously always been stated as fidelity to good film. Hence things like 3:2 pulldown on displays, to give 24 rather than 30 frames per second, to mimic film, were implemented.

Just an observation. I find my plasma does the best job of approximating film of any display I've seen, including brief exposure (non optimum to be sure) to OLED.

I have just received a dealer brochure for the Eclipse (and BL50s). Interestingly, and to correct one of my previous observations, the TV does appear to have a motorised wall hinge option, with the hinge hidden at the end of the sound bar so that the whole TV seems to float away from the wall. 

Presumably this has become possible due to the very low weight of the screen compared to, for example, the BV11, where a huge hinge is needed the same height of the TV, with multiple anchors into the wall.

Graham

vikinger wrote:

I have just received a dealer brochure for the Eclipse (and BL50s). Interestingly, and to correct one of my previous observations, the TV does appear to have a motorised wall hinge option, with the hinge hidden at the end of the sound bar so that the whole TV seems to float away from the wall. 

Presumably this has become possible due to the very low weight of the screen compared to, for example, the BV11, where a huge hinge is needed the same height of the TV, with multiple anchors into the wall.

Graham

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