Marcello wrote:

Sure, that's what I expected. Except that in order to have PUC control you need to plug them to the bar in the A-D input, not to the TV HDMI ports.

I perfectly understand the method and the reasons behind it. But I think we can agree that selecting a picture mode manually for each source is a step back from having the TV recalling the settings that were stored for each source. Also, since I doubt the picture mode is controlled by CEC, I doubt we will be able to change the picture mode via the LIST button easily (it will probably still work for sound modes since this is changed in the SoundCenter). I will see the TV in person on Tuesday or Wednesday and try for myself though. So far, it's just reasoned assumptions on my side.

Well from my own perspective having seen the Eclipse in recent days I now know that my next TV will be the first generation Avant so Sheffield, watch this space as you may be getting a phone call sometime soon!

I didn't like the Eclipse. I knew immediately that it wasn't the TV from me so in many ways this is positive as it cements the way going forward with nothing else to consider. No complaints with OLED/HDR of course; I really wanted that in my next TV. But, I have decided to compromise and go back to LCD, much as I really don't like the technology. We are all different in what we look for in a product. My reasoning is quite simple, it's always about design and B&O magic that top my list, with picture quality a close second.

The Avant is older is older both technologically and in age, but it can be mounted on a beautiful motorised table stand with further magical moments when as the speakers move into view with the curtains opening up to reveal the picture. The opening/closing ceremony of the olympics if you will, using B&O magic terminology. Those experiences alone are what bring a smile to my face every time I switch on and off the TV and that's why I buy B&O. Further, the product is B&O through and through (mostly) with a B&O interface and menu system.

The Eclipse didn't excite me at all, not even a little bit. I thought the speaker was actually too big width wise, not just length wise. I don't understand its placement with the redundant (as I see it) glass part underneath it. I also think the B&O text on that piece of glass is too big and not subtle enough. I don't want a Netflix or Amazon button on a B&O remote and neither do I want LG logos or menus on a B&O TV. Personally, I think it's a poor effort from B&O and question how well it will sell. It's pleasing to read dealers selling a few already and I hope it does prove to be a success for B&O and dealers alike but it's definitely not for me. The speaker is the only part of the product I can see as, or label as, B&O.

KMA wrote:

Please let us know how you feel about the experience. There is a bit of learning with this new type of B&O/LG television. They come with added options and layers for operation.

I'm extremely familiar with the world of AVR and that's one of the reasons why I got a BV11-46 and later an 11-55. The next one should replace the BV10 as I would like to use a matrix (the Beo4 is not suitable so I could not do it easily I was told). So, I will start my experience with the Eclipse with inevitable prejudices I'm afraid. That said, I'm not in a hurry to purchase, it might be wise for me to wait for a more integrated set, if that will ever happen. 

Anyway I'm taking my Mac to the dealer to read the EDID information. I hope they fixed the bug which left the BS4-based sets without Dolby Digital+ (required by Netflix and Amazon).

On top of that, does anybody know if the SoundCenter now supports DTS-HD? I could not find it mentioned on the specs.

LR2015 wrote:

I've been watching this thread with interest as I was tempted by the Eclipse. We bought a new BV11-46 just over 2 years ago and whilst it's a fantastic tv I do regret not going for the 55" model - hence thought I'd wait for the next tv B&O produce.

 

How much am I missing out on by not having Ultra HD on the BV11? Main watching sources are Netflix and occasionally downloading (renting) films on Itunes. 

 

I'm in a similar situation.  I bought a BV11-40 just over two years ago and wish I'd gone for the 46".  B&O have made things difficult by not producing a 46" version of the BV14.  An Avant will probably be my next choice (it looks smaller than the 55" BV-14 IMO) when I decide I need 4K.

Speaking of which, to stream 4K you need fibre if you don't have it already.  And iTunes doesn't have any 4K content yet, though I hear that is likely to change later this month when the next iteration of the Apple TV comes out.

4K doesn't require fiber, it takes 25 Mbps, even here in backwoods country where I lice I easily get over 60 Mbps. 

So the HDTV Test shoot out can be summarised as follows :

Methodology was to compare 5 TVs across a few aspects, using a Sony professional broadcast monitor as a reference or benchmark.

The 5 TVs were the : Sony A1, LG B7, Panasonic EZ1002, Sony ZD9, and Samsung QLED (so 3 OLEDs, 2 LED/LCDs)

Awards given how the TVs performed in the individual aspect tests (see below, i've listed the first + second places only), they chose to define 3 winners as follows :

-   Best Home Theatre TV  -   Panasonic EZ1002  (2nd place Sony A1)   (importance given to Contrast Performance, Uniformity, Colour Accuracy)

-   Best Living Room TV  -  Sony A1  (2nd place Panasonic)  (Motion, Video Processing, Bright Room performance)

-   Best Gaming TV   -  LG B7 

-   Best HDR TV  -  LG B7 

The individual test scores are below  -  i listed them, because it's interesting how many tests were won by the Panasonic and Sony.  There were a few articles online reporting on the shoot out, noting how well Panasonic did.  In addition to the 4 awards above, HDTV Test also did an overall award where all the test scores below were simply added up, and Panasonic marginally beat the LG B7.   There is some nuance here - that overall result for LG is flattered by its gaming performance, where it won that aspect test by a very clear margin. If you gave gaming a lower weight, Panasonic and Sony would have been 1 and 2.

Anyway, i said i'd post a summary, and there it is - feel free to completely ignore of course, or read into it what you will. Personally, while i'm sold on OLED, i'd say from seeing a few of their test and side by side videos, not all OLED TV's are created equal, once you look how the different manufacturers handle the aspects below. 

Have B&O chosen / does the Eclipse have the very best image results - probably not quite.

Does it matter  -  probably not, though opinions will of course vary, everyone has different sensitivities, nothing wrong with that of course.

Anyway, off to bed.

SandyB.

Aspects tested 

There were 8 aspects tested - i've shown which TV won each aspect, and the detail for the individual tests within each aspect.

Contrast performance - winner Panasonic

- Black level    1. Panasonic   2. Sony A1

- Shadow detail  1. Sony A1  2. Panasonic

- Bright detail   1. Panasonic  2. Sony A1

Colour Accuracy : 1. Panasonic  2. LG B7

Motion - winner Sony A1

- Clarity (smearing)  1. Panasonic  2. Sony A1 

- Smoothness  (panning)  1 Sony A1  2. LG B7

Uniformity - winner Pansonic

- dark uniformity  1. Panasonic   2. Lg B7

- light uniformity   1. Panasonic  2. Sony A1

Video Processing - winner Sony A1

- Upscaling   1. Sony A1  2. Panasonic 

- Gradation    1. Sony A1  2. Sony ZD9

- Compressed Sources handling    1. Sony A1  2. Sony ZD9

Gaming - winner LG B7 

- Input Lag  1. LG B7  2. Samsung Q9 

- Picture Quality  1. Panasonic  2. LG B7

Bright room - winner Samsung Q7

- Light output  1. LG B7  2. Samsung Q9

- Anti reflection 1.  Samsung  2. Sony A1

HDR Performance

- Dark scenes    1. Panasonic  2. LG B7

- 1000 Nit scenes  1. LG B7    2. Panasonic 

- 4000 Nit scenes    1. LG B7  2. Sony ZD9

I wonder if the cynic in me thinks that the reason that B&O didn't release HDR in the Avant and the 14 was so that they dont have to keep the current platform alive and push everyone to the Eclipse?

Because if there was HDR, would most people have still chosen an Eclipse? 

Or still go to the Eclipse because it has OLED and superior sound? 

Just a thought

andy_js wrote:

An Avant will probably be my next choice (it looks smaller than the 55" BV-14 IMO) when I decide I need 4K.

Don't expect the Avant to stay on the market for long. B&O told us that it eventually will be replaced by the Eclipse.

I assume that the 55" and 65" Avant leave first, whereas the 85" Avant propably will stay on the market longer awaiting a larger LG OLED (77") in the C7/D7-range.

  /Lars