BEOVISION ECLIPSE

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Aussie Michael wrote:

I imagine you can slot another TV on top that's for sure watching the video of the wall bracket but then you woudln't get the B&O Logo and perhaps the BR One.

An alternative would be a regular OLED and a BS35 as a TV sound bar. 

As B&O have partnered with LG to use the Web OS, to me that's just like the Android - it's just another brand .  So previously B&O partnered with Google to use Android TV and now with LG for WebOS.  Like you had to have a Google Store account for apps, you know have the LG Store for apps. 

From what I can tell there is one or two LG apps branded as LG apps, and they really aren't that important and i reckon they could be deleted (if you dont want to see the LG brand on screen).

From the video i watched, now you can see why the Sound Centre is wider than the TV - its so that it can house the bracket that supports the TV and the wall bracket on either the left or the right side. 

So for a long time many of us on this forum have said that B&O shouldn't do software, so here they haven't.  We also said that we want to have something with the latest specs, so they have done that.

I haven't seen the TV in the flesh yet, but my walk past the Melbourne store today i could see it from the outside, but i had to run to my PT session.

Perhaps like Bangle with BMW, this will bring newer customers to the brand, some people that may also be familiar with the way an LG TV works and there is no learning curve.  Granted the TV is priced high, so people will make their own choice about what this means to them.

Reading through the posts, many valid points indeed.  When i was reading that perhaps the TV wont sell well and B&O will have to re consider their pricing structure.  I immediately said to myself, "yeah right.  Every time i go in to the B&O store, they put up their prices again".  I don't think their pricing department really understand, supply and demand, marginal cost, etc.

In Australia now, as the franchise is no longer under B&O control, they charge you for international delivery - will see how much this TV really is gonna cost. 

For me, I'm not sure how , where to place peripherals.

I like the Netflix button actually, it makes it easier to access.  I watch a lot of Netflix.  That being said, it still would have been just as good to have it in the OLED display of the BR One with the Netflix logo (instead of just the source text) - perhaps that would have got them over the line.

From the rear of the TV it would be nice to have one colour instead of the black and the grey. 

I think it might look quite nice with Moxxeys suggestion of the black aluminium or the green.

For a lot of potential customers they wont know that it is an LG TV (perhaps) and consider it as a B&O TV licensed to use the LG Store for apps. But i think as the product is a collaboration, its best to call out in the manuals it is an LG TV.  Sure i would have preferred a different UI skin but i have never used the WebOS.

You can see why this department was disbanded after the mess of the Android platform and BV 14 et al. So maybe if the product is successful this will bring more money TV line.

Interesting times ahead , that's for sure. 

Will let you know what i think when i see it on the weekend. 

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well said!

Be nice to hear more from people who have actually seen it. Need more hands on opinions

Just listened to the Sony - thought the sound while nice, was weak, very underpowered in fact.

Even allowing for the larger shop space, the fact that he had to turn it up to 85% of max volume to gain any appreciation told me a lot

Needs bolstering with additional speakers
moxxey wrote:

Ironically, I remember people saying that B&O TVs were "rebadged Phillips" in the 90s, which made a few people laugh about the pricing (as they were much more expensive than a Phillips television). False as that was, as they weren't rebranded Philips TVs, B&O is realistically rebadging a LG and hoping most people don't notice the regular 65" LG is only £2999: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-home-entertainment/televisions/televisions/lg-oled65c7v-65-smart-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-oled-tv-10160558-pdt.html

So, if one can buy the LG panel right now for £2999, assuming I go for the basic wall mount, what do I get for the extra £8500 ?

Wow.

Indeed.

There is a difference between using just the panel (or tube, back in the day) from another manufacturer, and building a quality TV set around it, using your own proprietary (and superior) tech. That's what Sony, Loewe, Panasonic and Philips have done.

So the irony goes around: Philips OLEDs are by the same definition just LG displays with fancy ambilight 😁

I guess B&O has become too small a player in the TV business to build their own sets. On the other hand, Loewe does it, and they are not a mainstream brand either. Sony went all-in with their approach, but they are of course a big player.

Perhaps B&O took the fast & easy way forward, after BV14, Horizon and Avant NG with all their software (and production) issues.

Or perhaps they are going for quick & better profits, and milking us for the money, although it won't necessary be that quick money with Eclipse. Time will tell.

I'm still undecided and need to see & hear more about the future of Eclipse and "Beo"Visions in general. For what the Eclipse is, the price is too high for the actual or perceived added value. I'm not even perceiving it right now.

Millemissen wrote:

Either you take the BV Eclipse or you leave it - in my opinion it is the best, that one can expect from B&O these days.

And therein lies the problem: true-to-heritage B&O prices without the heritage (in this case, one of their former competences).

Lars Ladingkaer wrote:

No.

BeoVision 14, BeoVision Avant NG and BeoVision Horizon are all with vision parts from TP Vision (Philips). Ie. its the ones with Android TV.

You'll have to go back in time to BV11, Avant 1.gen. and V1 to find a TV with an inhouse made vision part from B&O.

/Lars

Editor in Chief, recordere.dk Danish online magazine for consumer electronics

Ah, thanks for clarifying 🙂

I know Android came with the TP Vision partnership, but I didn't know B&O also gave up their proprietary VisionClear technology at that point. I thought they integrated it with Android.

Well, my BV11 was indeed a true, problem free, joyful B&O experience, and I'm happy I got to enjoy it for a few years.

I've not seen it in the fleash but in the pictures it really looks like a B&O TV. Like a mix between BV10 and BV7 🙂 

But the price? 11-16.000 USD?? A bit too much for a LG... It is clearly not aimed at "normal" people. 

Out of curiosity, is anyone from B&O management reading this thread ? or it's just a " throw your opinion " and move on ? 

Engineering since ever...

Hi Hiort,

 

 

I agree with you 100 %.

Yesterday I was invited at Bang & Olufsen Bremdal for the presentation of the Eclipse.

The 65"  has a blown all of us away.  What a fantastic sound this TV is producing. WOW !!!!!!!

It's so good, that you question yourself, if you need an extra set of Beolab speakers.

I was also very positive surprised about the quality of the picture.

The design is of course a personal taste. Nevertheless, I like it very much.

Although the alu speaker cover looks very nice, I would go for the brown/red fabric cover.

This color combines very well with a grey wall color.  A lot will depend on the interior design of the room where it will be placed.

As I said, this is my personal choice.

 

I can imagine that the design of the soundbar is a little surprising, but I'm very confident that it is going to be a success.

Just go back to the first impressions and comments on the A9.

In the beginning almost nobody had some positive comments on the A9 design.

Sometimes it takes time to get used to it.

 

My end conclusion is very positive.

 

Just wait and see.

 

I really like it a lot too. And the speaker cover options will enable buyers to make it fit their room and also decide how prominent the speaker will be. All good customisable stuff. It is however a bit too pricey for me.
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